3519: Y’all Gay? w/ Ali Clayton and Ever Mainard

[Sparrow]

i ADORE Ali Clayton. love love love when she’s on. *chef’s kiss*

re: dogs

dogs also hump to assert dominance. this guy didn’t know dogs and should not have them. what he thought was sweet gay love was really an Alpha move showing the humpee who was in charge.

[Apia resurrected]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

i ADORE Ali Clayton. love love love when she’s on. *chef’s kiss*

re: dogs

dogs also hump to assert dominance. this guy didn’t know dogs and should not have them. what he thought was sweet gay love was really an Alpha move showing the humpee who was in charge.

I sure you can look for this move on Sniffies.

[Piscean]

Originally Posted by Svage

Oh BTW Keith. The episode came through the free feed on my podcast app and not my vip feed, and still hasnt. would this be an issue on my side or your side?

This is the main show, not a VIP show. Shouldn't it play through the free feed?

[Keith]

Originally Posted by Piscean

This is the main show, not a VIP show. Shouldn't it play through the free feed?

They’re saying it is but NOT also in their KATG app I think. In which case I don’t see that problem. But someone else will let me know. I can’t cop to other apps.

[Svage]

Originally Posted by Piscean

This is the main show, not a VIP show. Shouldn't it play through the free feed?

I sub to both feeds...

Vip feed gives me the regular show eps and the vip show eps, which I listen to at regular speed.

Free feed is a free download to pad their download numbers but also to relisten to a main show episode a second time but at 2x speed.

[Svage]

Originally Posted by Keith

They’re saying it is but NOT also in their KATG app I think. In which case I don’t see that problem. But someone else will let me know. I can’t cop to other apps.

No I don't use the katg app, i have it downloaded but I use podcast addict for my listening and idk but it resolved itself this morning so yay?

[Keith]

Very yay. It kept me up!

And we’re back!

[Apia resurrected]

Also that Ever said trans women could get pregnant was a classical case of “I want it to be true so it true”. This is the same problem conservatives run into with their points.

I would also wish the transition was so good that a trans woman could get pregnant if she wanted to.
But it’s not because you don’t transplant a uterus and other organs. This would also be a huge risky operation.

Also, a trans woman athlete doesn’t get her period for the same reasons.
Is it a plus? Is it a minus?

Think about this from the perspective of a high level athlete.
Timing for example.

[Apia resurrected]

Also I learned that it’s wrong to say you need a woman and a man to get pregnant even if you just think about the biological functions because the terms man and woman are alsways used the way the person identifies themselves.

Dan Savage says something like : “Vagina havers and penis havers” to avoid it.

I wonder if it would be ok to say: a XX chromosome person and a XY chromosome person.

Because the chromosomes stay the same no matter if there was a transition or not.

[klika]

(long time listener, first time forummer)

I enjoy listening to how people without trans experience (myself included) try to comprehend it and put it in the reality that we're used to. Definitely beats the people who are transphobic.
So just wanted to bring couple of points to your conversation:
re: Chemda mentioning male and female bodies - lets not forget that even science has bias. The way things are named and what they're associated with, depends on scientists (back in the day mostly men...!). So just the classification of people/animals that have penises as 'male' is a social construct. As mentioned by Ali or Ever, intersex people can have XX chromosomes and have penises. So even biology/science isn't binary. And yes, 'commonly' XY and penis is associate with this and that, but lets not forget how this also influences the (socially constructed) gender people are brought up as and how that in turn influences their biology (babies born with vaginas or XX chromosomes->socialised as girls->discouraged from doing sports/being muscular/active->body activity strengthens bones ->'women' are more prone to osteoporosis; TLDR of an article by Anne Fausto-Sterling The Bare Bones of Sex)

And when it comes to reproduction, egg is associated with 'female' and sperm is associated with 'male', but brining up again intersex people, what if you have both ovaries and testicles, both active. We've learned that we can generalise when it comes to gender, so we probably shouldn't generalise when it comes to sex/biology.


Re: Lia Thomas - I loved Myq's point (on previous episode), that were were hundred (if not thousands) trans athletes, but because they weren't as successful as Lia, no one cared. And of course, the point of a person from forum: the misogyny mixed with sexism and transphobia on all fronts is so prevalent (considering Lia as a 'man', and ignoring trans men athletes because they were 'women').

I really appreciate Keith's approach to these issues. And it's very surprising coming from a cis, straight, white man.

I'm looking forward to listen how your conversations and language evolves.

Love you loads,
Paula


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I work for ILGA World (largest LGBTI association, gathering almost 1800 LGBTI organisations across the world) and hold masters in gender studies with focus on queer theory and migration. Bc of gender studies and feminism, I no longer enjoy anything (apart from KATG content of course)
For some info on what ILGA does around sport and similar issues, see here: https://ilga.org/sports-human-rights ]