528: Movie Monday

[Aristoprat]

Originally Posted by matt B

the idea that art is subjective is so juvenile everything else you say is rendered moot because you started it with that statement...dont be a douche

Have you been drinking? I'm not going to get into an argument about art being subjective or otherwise because there is no answer. Someone could probably come up with an argument for painting with menstrual blood being good art "because it speaks to me" or whatever.

good art is what i think is good if you want to know if it is good ask me

OK, is Constable's "Haywain" good; is Munch's "The Scream " good; how do you feel about any of the shite (only my opinion) produced by Damien Hirst?

the fact that you dont like thriller and think john landis and the video should get more credit for its success than michael or even quincy jones for that matter proves once again that idiots can type

I didn't say I don't like the video - I quoted Thriller as a seminal work as it changed the way way music videos were perceived. I remember rushing home to see the first showing in the UK of the video such was the hype. This was my point; the fact the video was brilliant and the hype surrounding it propelled MJ onto a whole new level.

enjoy your shitty music

No MJ, no Elvis, ergo shitty; is that you're point?

...without thinking about his personal life delves a bit deeper into the american obsession with celebrities personal lives and how you can't just enjoy the music because it is insanely great..maybe some issues you should work out on a couch with some guidance

I've already said I was biased. Antipathy would have been the best description of my feelings towards his music before all the stuff came out. Following what I learnt from the trial and in other places

http://www.computertroubleshoot.com/...-9-10-0014.mp3

my antipathy turned to outright dislike. You may be able to divorce the voice from the act but whenever I hear a Michael Jackson song I think paedophile. If I need a couch then OK.

Whatever, I need a bed more so I'm going to find one.

[ballzon]

Originally Posted by zwa

I am glad I got to see transformers before keith said it was shit.

I loved it. Sure theres plot holes. I dont care. Why did the transformers get stuck as <car> after they first transformed? who knows. Of course it would have been more logical if they came to earth as american manufactured cars. That would have been better? Its a movie about robots. You want a movie that makes sense based on a cartoon that didnt make sense.

Whatever. The only thing i thought was odd was the kids fucking on bumblebees hood while the other transformers stood around and watched. wtf?

It sounds like the movie was really made for fans of the original if it isn't explaining everything fully. One of the first thing the cartoon ever went over was why they became cars. When Mt. St. Helens erupted, it jump started the ships computer. The computer sent drones out to check out the wildlife. Since it only knew mechanical forms, it avoided all the biological forms and the first things it saw were cars. It then repaired the autobots to take form of the "life forms" on the planet to blend in, hence they were made into the shapes of cars.

[MyButtPlug]

This is what I hear when Matt B speaks:

"blablablah blah blahblablah blahblah blablablabla blah,
blah blah blah blahblablabla blah blabla, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA."

[zwa]

Why couldnt bumblebee talk for the whole film except until after his legs got fucked up?

I dont care.

[Lura]

I was really interested to hear Keith's views on "Deliver us from Evil". The conversation about that brought out some areas that I wanted to address. I am NOT trying to convert anyone, just clear up some things.

My credentials: Ten years ago I felt similar to what Keith feels now about religion; five years ago I was a Christian who thought the Catholic Church was totally screwed up. Four years ago my best friend died a slow, horrible death and I had to start from scratch spiritually. After a lot of study, I’m now a Catholic who willingly admits that there are some fucked up things about how stuff happens in the church. I’m as disgusted with at the priests who raped children as any of you are, plus, I’m disgusted that they used MY church to hide in and with the bishops who let them.

Forgiveness: Many bishops wrongly decided that forgiveness meant no punishment for these priests but that’s not the real church teaching. Forgiveness does not eliminate the need for punishment; after all that’s what the Catholic idea of purgatory is all about. If a confessor does not believe you are really sorry, he can refuse to absolve you, and he can strongly advise you to make reparation. What these bishops should have done is move the priests to jobs where they would have no contact with the public, much less more children, and advise the priests to consider confessing to the police (by church law, the confessor can not tell the police or force the confessee to do so).

Protestants vs. Catholics: Having been both Protestant and Catholic, I can vouch that Chemda is right that Catholic is seen as less OK to the general public. Lots of evangelicals and people who don’t believe in anything as such don’t even think Catholics are really Christian. As far as other Christians flocking to join if the Pope called for a religious war, don’t count on it. Most non-Catholic Christians would love to see the Pope fall and lots consider him the antichrist, and they think the Catholic church is the “Whore of Babylon” from Revelations.

Vatican army: The Swiss Guard is a group of less than 150 men who have gone through basic training with the Swiss military. They are more like a bodyguard force than a military unit.

Pray at home: The reason that Keith’s brother and sister can’t just pray at home is because as Catholics they believe that they need the Eucharist (communion). Unless you are a priest who has mass in his own basement by himself, that means you have to go to church for it.

Immunity from prosecution: The Pope is considered a head of state and as such automatically has the same immunity as the Queen or Prime Minister of England.

The book of Paul: There is no book of Paul in the bible. I think Matt was referring to “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church”, which is in the gospel of Matthew. Or he could have meant 1st Corinthians which mentions the role of women. I don’t know of any real controversy about the authenticity of either of these.

Robes: Just out of curiosity, Chemda, what’s your issue with robes? “This weird hierarchy with the fucking robes that they wear!” (57 min 25 sec into the show.) Do you think judges' robes are wierd, too?

[paul_r]

you don't hear these things so much about protestant priests, do you think celibacy and not marrying is to blame?

[Lura]

I don't know. I would think that would make them go after women in their church and I don't think Catholic priests do that any more or less than Protestant ministers. Targeting children would seem to be about trying to sieze control. It's like how rape is more about control and power than sex.

[banisters_mind]

You know - I wish I could just turn off the show when the guys start talking about movies that I want to see that I haven't and they have. I wanted to turn off when they started talking about Transformers but I couldn't resist listening. Do I still wanna see the movie now after Keith's eloquent summing up of the movie...? I dunno...no fuck it I will go and see it still and I will have Keith's voice sitting on my shoulder telling me "this is Sheeeiiiiaaaat!!!!!"

Michael Jackson has done nothing since Off the Wall. In fact since then he has been off the fucking wall!!! Michael Jackson is dead to me. That is the only way I can cope - THE END!!

[windowsanddoors]

There are two Micheal Jacksons. Black Mike and White Mike. Black Mike made awesome music that is still praised today. Where as White Mike is a crazy kid toucher.

[Blitzgal]

Originally Posted by matt B

the idea that art is subjective is so juvenile everything else you say is rendered moot because you started it with that statement...dont be a douche

good art is what i think is good if you want to know if it is good ask me

Matt, do you need to watch "Dead Poet's Society" again?