591: A Hero's Departure

[Testicular]

forcing a person to serve the government is the same as forcing them to not have children. They are both the government taking away my freedoms.

You know how your rights and sisters are alike? They can be violated, but you still have them.

[mkl]

Originally Posted by deuce

valid point. my hope would be however that this service would serve to break this division of government and people. and cause a redistribution of power from the old ruling class families which seem to still run America and put that power into the hands of the people.


i also believe that a parlimentary system of democracy may be better than our current government. as it seems that currently a two party system will never bring about the changes that the people our obviously crying out for.

Agreed. As I have said, our aims are exactly the same. We just have different views on how to get there.

I still have some hope that the current two party system can bring about changes, although that hope is getting smaller each election. This election I really see Ron Paul as a way to get this country back on track. I don't think you would care for his small government politics, but at least there is a candidate who is breaking the mold.

[deuce]

Originally Posted by Testicular

You know how your rights and sisters are alike? You can violate them, but you still have them.

in true KATG spirit.

make a point but also bringing it there...

i thoroughly enjoyed that quip. Hysterical!!

[mkl]

Just a shot in the dark, but I bet Testicular, Deuce and I all agree on the War on Drugs.

[deuce]

Originally Posted by mkl

Agreed. As I have said, our aims are exactly the same. We just have different views on how to get there.

I still have some hope that the current two party system can bring about changes, although that hope is getting smaller each election. This election I really see Ron Paul as a way to get this country back on track. I don't think you would care for his small government politics, but at least there is a candidate who is breaking the mold.

the conspiracy theorist in me suspects that candidates like Ron Paul are supported by opposing parties in an effort to siphon votes.

[deuce]

Originally Posted by mkl

Just a shot in the dark, but I bet Testicular, Deuce and I all agree on the War on Drugs.

pointless??

waste of resouces, that may better be spent addressing junkies, and educating youth?

[OSLIN]

Originally Posted by deuce

much much much appreciated. that means alot coming from you in light of all our previous political debates.

I don't recall any political debates with you before, so if we did, they must not have been too heated.

Originally Posted by deuce

I know i was stammering..again the connection, the late hour, and the alcoholic beverages had me a bit impaired, however, nothing had me more impaired then the shock that i had from some of the things that flew out of their mouth.

You seemed very lucid to me. I think anyone would have been taken aback by the responses you were getting.

Originally Posted by deuce

every body chps in to make the country better. and those that don't like it (which would be most) will gain a more intimate connection with those of any other race religion or background because their country's service is their common denominator. maybe people would be more than just superficiallly polite to each other in our society.

it would be a chance for everyone to feel like an american. instead of just the american dream for some. i am not advocating a complete socialist society either. just a better allocation of the resources available to contribute to the "public good" (i.e. needs). this may even lower our taxes and certainly would be using those funds more efficiently.

The founders of this country warned that this form of government was ultimately dependent upon public virtue. It doesn't look too good right now, but perhaps the next generation will get a clue.

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"A nation as a society forms a moral person, and every member of it is personally responsible for his society."
Thomas Jefferson

[Testicular]

Originally Posted by deuce

the conspiracy theorist in me suspects that candidates like Ron Paul are supported by opposing parties in an effort to siphon votes.

As an avid supporter of Dr. Paul, and with an in depth look at his history I highly doubt this.

This man cannot be bought.

[Testicular]

Well I didn't want to turn this forum into a solution. So what do all the Marx, Stalin supporters have to say?

Deuce do you not plan on answering the questions I posted earlier?

[brianward81]

I don't have anything new to contribute to the current argument but this show was awesome.

Deuce brought up some great points as did Keith, Chemda and The Gunner. You also made me nearly spit my water on my computer from laughing so hard - fuckin aces.