759: Country Dough Face

[matt B]

im sure that your "family business" that you are so proud of doesnt blind you from anything

also for those small businesses still operating in this way or small communities that are able to drive out a big one --see maine driving out home depot recently---these are the exceptions to the rule if you cant see that you are blind

also the ranches that you romanticize are all gov subsidized so basically the big business that has their hand in them are my business the one i vote in


its this skewed way of seeing a problem and making it what you want that makes people think we dont already have socialized health care its just a bad system that isnt standardized--- see welfare--and also its skewed to think that the government doesnt already basically run all these "private" businesses such as the MTA or most of the larger transportation systems that the government more than subsidizes

and this argument will be countered with the idea that the government cant do anything right-- which is silly cause all of you have your homes protected from fire by the government and this is only one of many things that the government can do right

its harder for the government to do things right when they are strangled into cloaking what they are doing as being a "free market system" people only like regulations when it suits them but the market is hardly free


and ultimately the days of the family ranch are numbered the best we can hope for is to properly organize a system by wich to regulate corporate ranching to benefit the most people while maintaining a sustainability that goes beyone what we presently have

Originally Posted by spooky

nope, youre wrong, and your refusal to see it doesnt reinforce your argument.

(unless you mean any corporation, and every business, no matter how small, should be a corporation, my family business certainly is, as is any farm or ranch that any family friends own)

[spooky]

Originally Posted by matt B

im sure that your "family business" that you are so proud of doesnt blind you from anything

also for those small businesses still operating in this way or small communities that are able to drive out a big one --see maine driving out home depot recently---these are the exceptions to the rule if you cant see that you are blind

also the ranches that you romanticize are all gov subsidized so basically the big business that has their hand in them are my business the one i vote in


its this skewed way of seeing a problem and making it what you want that makes people think we dont already have socialized health care its just a bad system that isnt standardized--- see welfare--and also its skewed to think that the government doesnt already basically run all these "private" businesses such as the MTA or most of the larger transportation systems that the government more than subsidizes

and this argument will be countered with the idea that the government cant do anything right-- which is silly cause all of you have your homes protected from fire by the government and this is only one of many things that the government can do right

its harder for the government to do things right when they are strangled into cloaking what they are doing as being a "free market system" people only like regulations when it suits them but the market is hardly free


and ultimately the days of the family ranch are numbered the best we can hope for is to properly organize a system by which to regulate corporate ranching to benefit the most people while maintaining a sustainability that goes beyone what we presently have

you keep jumping off on tangents, telling me my opinion, and assuming im an idiot because of it. when did we discuss any of this?

wtf health care?

explain how any business incorporating, as EVERY business, even one man operations, should do, as any lawyer or financial planner will tell you, is making me blind somehow?

also explain how our ranch is government subsidized. you know it all.

further, explain why you think mom and pop places in cities arent corporations, when they are.

you know what? dont address any of that, actually, because none of it matters.

stop spewing off topic nonsense, bray. address your argument, drop the BS.

[juliofromny]

Originally Posted by spooky

i assume you realize that the small single factory town is mostly an upstate NY and new england thing, not really anyplace else. your stereotype is pretty far off base.

what about places like Odessa, TX (you know the place that inspired "Friday Night Lights" the book, which became a movie and then a tv series) with it's closed coal-mine industry or parts of Ohio, western PA and MI?? Those aren't NE locations but they have similar stories to tell. I'm sure there are even more if I just google it but I think 3 are good indicators that it has happened in other places besides the Northeast.

[spooky]

Originally Posted by juliofromny

what about places like Odessa, TX (you know the place that inspired "Friday Night Lights" the book, which became a movie and then a tv series) with it's closed coal-mine industry or parts of Ohio, western PA and MI?? Those aren't NE locations but they have similar stories to tell. I'm sure there are even more if I just google it but I think 3 are good indicators that it has happened in other places besides the Northeast.

sure, i was thinking of mentioning mining towns in the rockies, too, but, comparatively, its uncommon, whereas the industrial revolution and all the factories, tanneries, etc, that all happed in the early part of the 20th century in new england gives it a very specific and unique background that the rest of america, by and large, just doesnt have.

he is very specific in his experience of small town life.

ive lived in small towns in texas, new mexico, florida, virginia. matts lived in upstate NY. its just not the same all over.

[juliofromny]

Originally Posted by spooky

sure, i was thinking of mentioning mining towns in the rockies, too, but, comparatively, its uncommon, whereas the industrial revolution and all the factories, tanneries, etc, that all happed in the early part of the 20th century in new england gives it a very specific and unique background that the rest of america, by and large, just doesnt have.

he is very specific in his experience of small town life.

ive lived in small towns in texas, new mexico, florida, virginia. matts lived in upstate NY. its just not the same all over.

But the industrial revolution, especially with the advent of the assembly line (after the steam-engine and the wind-up cars where to expensive to make thanks to Ford's model-t) caused a boom of factories in the the midwest like MI, OH and western PA, I mean a lot of the cities are named after cars, or tires, or parts of cars, brands, etc in those areas. They made whole-towns of just factory workers, and now the descendants of those families are suffering. Didn't GM just closed down some more factories in MI and like slashed 500+ jobs??

And the job slashes I'm referring too are rather recent (I think 16yrs is pretty recent).

As for different experiences between you and Matt B. Other than Being south of Matt, your experiences where still on the eastern part of this country. Yeah there are going to be some demographic differences and some cultural due to climate, and different raw materials, but the whole east coast pretty much has the same distribution method for transporting said goods and have pretty much the same model for their respective industries. For instance, shipping by boat in coastal cities is something the whole East Coast has in common.

But saying that, everyone is going to have a different life experience no matter where they lived, for the simple fact that we all live life differently. For instance, I lived in Manhattan, Chemda and Brother Love lived in Brooklyn. I lived with my mother and half-brother in a run-down studio apt right next to a junkyard (My mom lives there still). Their families own their homes and I'm going to assume it was more than a studio, etc, etc.

Lastly, Facts, provided that they aren't skewered, don't lie. Fact 1)Coastal cities have more than one method of making money, money provides cities with good services (ie, hospitals, libraries, schools, etc.). Fact 2) if you live in a town that is primarily dependent on one source of income and that income is taken away, your standards of living drop; consequently your education and other services deteriorate. Fact 3) Poor towns that live in despair and aren't properly educated, fall into superstitions and traditions to base their way of life and give it purpose. Fact 4) Once these traditions and standards are set, it is very hard to break from this mold for "fear of destroying the community" and so level of ignorance is maintained.

Just fall back on all those stories that Keith has read about third-world countries where people are still being stoned for being labelled witches and things like that. I'm not saying small towns in the midwest and south, etc are in that extreme. But they are going in that direction. Just look at all recent creationism vs. evolutions stories and court cases that have been happening lately.

Man this was wordy. Not sure if I really made my point but oh well

[Wile_E_Peyote]

Originally Posted by matt B

they are building them out of metal --- saw this on the news weeks ago-- i know im crazy i watch the "liberal news"

Well, metal <> steel, but no biggie...

Originally Posted by matt B

and yes they have their own military force NYPD almost 40,00 troops more than most 3rd world nations

Really? I was unaware they were a military force. So when are they going to start paratropping into Iqaq/Afghanistan?

Originally Posted by matt B

please dont help me with anything, your choice of warner bros cartoon character name discredits most of what you say anyway

I was unaware that Warner Bros had a character named Wile E. Peyote and I fail to see how this discredits anything.

Originally Posted by matt B

you hear and read what you want

We all do, what is your point?

Originally Posted by matt B

smart is being both thoughtful and coy, both humble and sophisticated, but most of all it means being able to see multiple points of view and then being able to judge as to which are most accurate and defensible in a way that is beyond dog eat dog its not undefiniable its just like the truth you cant pinpoint the answer but you can hover around it like a cloud until it becomes a bit clearer

You took an entire paragraph to say nothing...

Originally Posted by matt B

that being said the greatest men that i admire knew one thing over all -- they didnt know everything-- this embodies the american spirit as well

sorta like how good art is about tension, dynamics, and questions

most dumbies think there are no answers to these problems

its that kind of giving up on opportunity that is precisely the reason they are dumb

Did you even read your long-winded definition of smart???

Originally Posted by matt B

other people== those who agree with me-- re read this then think about it-- i wont give you a test but clearly i am referring to those who disagree with spooky's romantic notions of the small town-- leave it to beaver was a tv show not an accurate portrayal of american life

I don't think people are talking about "Leave it to Beaver"...

[Al_Scagnetti]

Originally Posted by spooky

stop spewing off topic nonsense, bray. address your argument, drop the BS.

Man, you guys really ought to hug it out. Of course, your discussions are entertaining as fuck.

[Awakimak]

How Are a Texas Tornado And a Tennessee Divorce TheSame?

-> Somebody's Gonna Lose A Trailer

[Indecisive Twit]

Uuuugh....it is exhausting to me that Matt B types exactly like he talks; in one very loooooooong, continuous NON-STOP sentence, that ultimately makes no sense at all.

[BrianAlt]

Originally Posted by Wile_E_Peyote

All the words were english. It was just missing a comma; you missed one as well. Grammer and english correction (except in really bad cases) on the internet is "dumb", because we all make those mistakes.

As did you.