849: The Pick-Up Artist

[Astigos]

Originally Posted by roxymodest

Yeah Mike's a cutie. I admire his courage. Which gives him balls.

I get to put said balls in your mouth now right?

Originally Posted by Blitzgal

Well, she did say it would have worked when she was younger and not as worldly, which still reinforces Chemda's point. But in general, if someone is easily manipulated, then yeah this stuff will work on her. Chicks with low self-esteem are easy marks. Drunk chicks are easy marks -- why else would "The Game" be played almost solely in bars? Everybody knows these things. This PUA stuff isn't new or revolutionary. These guys just put a name on it and packaged it in order to sell it. This is the guy self-help realm. For women, self-help is aimed at losing weight and feeling good about yourself. For men, self-help is aimed at getting laid and feeling good about yourself. It's all the same shit.

I had to look up Mystery after hearing this show. I guess this dude started out as a "mentalist."

Actually, every book I have came across has said that bars are the worst place to play the game especially starting out. Bars may simply be more convenient to use it simply because of the number of women available (i.e. shotgun effect). Manipulation is a harsh word to be using although you are not far off. PUAs are simply giving the women what they want to hear and feel. Sort of like playing poker if you already know what is in the other person's hand.

Originally Posted by andyoureuglytoo

After the relationship book, Keith and Chemda should write their own version of "How to Win Friends and Influence People." Brother Love & Keith should write a book about picking people up.

Myka's "That's wildely inappropriate." was funny.

I am currently the same way Myka said she was when she was younger...Working on fixing it.

Also, this is reminds me of Dmitri the Lover. Wonder if he got his skill from these books too.

I'm very certain Dimitri is a PUA. As soon as I first heard it I saw the subtle PUA tricks that he tried (and failed) to use.

Originally Posted by truthv7

This episode was a little weird for me because I haven't yet encountered someone as similar to myself as Mike the intern. I am a fairly quiet person or not very outgoing as I'd like to be. When he said how he felt about college and he wanted to be a chef I realized for the first time that there is someone who I somewhat see myself in. Maybe it happens to everyone, I don't know, but it was a little weird.

You want to elaborate on that?

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I'm really glad some of you enjoyed what I had to say.

In Conclusion: (now that I have a moment to put some eloquence in my words)
Do not refer to me as a "pick up artist" or "the guy that plays the game" or any derivative thereof hereafter.

The Game changed my life. Whether it was for better or for worse is not for me to say, but it did. It was a time where I had no hope and reading these books gave it to me. It gave me to ability to change. I was never really into the Outer Game (the gestures and gimmicks, the "canned material") but the Inner Game was more profound than anything. I was able to see the world from a different perspective. My train of thought had always been "Just be quiet because when you talk you bother everyone." I was able to get out of that slump when the books made me realize everyone else is just as lonely is me. That girl sitting alone across the room is lonely, and I can make her loneliness stop. I deserve to be happy so I grab happiness by the throat. Of course it sounds stupid to everyone else except me, and I don't care. We all have our demons.

Everyone needs to stop judging the Game so harshly. If you have not read The Game by Neil Strauss then you know nothing. This is only the tip of the iceberg. Even if you wish to pursue pick up it is still a damn good book. I inadvertently called The Game a novel because it is written as a story; it is not at all an instruction manual.

"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." -Hamlet, Act II scene ii

[truthv7]

Originally Posted by Astigos

You want to elaborate on that?

I don't know maybe I was over thinking it. From that little piece of your life on the show is fairly how part of my life is. If you might have elaborated more or shared more of your opinion, on the show, there might have been more differences and it wouldn't have been odd for me. Similar to if you saw a piece, and only a piece, of someone and said "hey that's me". It was just weird/cool think, "Maybe there is somebody who thinks like me out there" but it probably happens to everyone eventually.

[Astigos]

Originally Posted by truthv7

I don't know maybe I was over thinking it. From that little piece of your life on the show is fairly how part of my life is. If you might have elaborated more or shared more of your opinion, on the show, there might have been more differences and it wouldn't have been odd for me. Similar to if you saw a piece, and only a piece, of someone and said "hey that's me". It was just weird/cool think, "Maybe there is somebody who thinks like me out there" but it probably happens to everyone eventually.

Traditional college no longer has anything to offer me. I am no longer interested in scholarly subjects. I want to learn something that will be useful to my future, and I have come to the realization that I want to work with food and drink for a living.

[truthv7]

Originally Posted by Astigos

Traditional college no longer has anything to offer me. I am no longer interested in scholarly subjects. I want to learn something that will be useful to my future, and I have come to the realization that I want to work with food and drink for a living.

Yeah that is how I feel about college, I've always been more of a learn by doing or self teaching person. I'm not a very creative person, I see myself as more of a modifying type of creativity. I like to cook because it is easy to me, makes people feel somewhat good, and almost everything you make is your own version of it because no two people can make the exact same product.

[Bebe]

Mike is such a playa, don't believe a word he says about being shy.

[roxymodest]

Originally Posted by Bebe

Mike is such a playa, don't believe a word he says about being shy.

so this whole pick up artist thing is a front? HMMM...

[andyoureuglytoo]

Originally Posted by Astigos

Traditional college no longer has anything to offer me. I am no longer interested in scholarly subjects. I want to learn something that will be useful to my future, and I have come to the realization that I want to work with food and drink for a living.

I'm there with you too, Mike. I'm a theatre major. College has been the biggest waste of my time. Everything I really ever needed to know, I learned outside the university.

If it wasn't free, I wouldn't be going. (My mom happens to work at the University.)

I hate that people think I need to have a degree to have legitimacy. (Which is all it really is.)

My senior seminar class (a class about what to do with your degree after college) pisses me off. All it is, is a class about what OTHER jobs you can get if you're not going to work in the theatre. (Most of my classmates won't get jobs in the theatre.)

[sully_04]

Originally Posted by andyoureuglytoo

I'm there with you too, Mike. I'm a theatre major. College has been the biggest waste of my time. Everything I really ever needed to know, I learned outside the university.

If it wasn't free, I wouldn't be going. (My mom happens to work at the University.)

I hate that people think I need to have a degree to have legitimacy. (Which is all it really is.)

My senior seminar class (a class about what to do with your degree after college) pisses me off. All it is, is a class about what OTHER jobs you can get if you're not going to work in the theatre. (Most of my classmates won't get jobs in the theatre.)

haha.

too bad the only way the two of you are going to learn is by making the decision.

even with a plan, its really fucking hard. the intern is quite obviously lazy and unmotivated. these are not good qualities to drop out of college with.

"fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life"

I learned that from watching animal house over and over and not going to class.

[Sajizzle]

The real point to a liberal arts education is not the actual material you learn, it's the process by which you learn. Being able to think at a higher level, analytically, and in an organized, effective way is the best skill you can have outside of learning a specific trade.

[sully_04]

Originally Posted by Sajizzle

The real point to a liberal arts education is not the actual material you learn, it's the process by which you learn. Being able to think at a higher level, analytically, and in an organized, effective way is the best skill you can have outside of learning a specific trade.

exactly.

employers want to be able to know that a person can stay committed to a task, put forth effort, feel compelled to complete something.

Nothing I learned in college has applied to any of my jobs on a consistent basis. I need 2 classes to graduate and have over 15 years experience working in my field and I have to out perform to get a job that doesn't pay as well as the one I could get if I had not been as those two jackasses who are so smart they are going to drop out of college because they already know everything.