903: What's Yours is Mine

crazyrob · 02-22-2009, 10:22 AM

I have to agree with Matt on the point that Copyrights hinder creativity. I see the piont of having them yes as without them some people would not be willing to create more but it has just become a huge big business area where all these artists will can sue is for just borrowing one part of anothers and re conceptualizing all the other parts

Watch the documentry "Good Copy, Bad Copy" it talks about the whole remix culture http://www.goodcopybadcopy.net/ (you can watch the film there, it brings interesting light to the whole remix, sampling, and copyright violation debate) Trailer

If you want to get pissed at someone profiting from only sampling music of other artists to make his own, look up Girl Talk(link) this guy blatantly samples other music to make his own. The only reason Girl Talk isn't sued for his sampling is he doesn't profit from his CD sales he just makes money from touring. Which is where most artist make their money.

Does anyone remember the backstage show where Brotherlove talked about taking a guitar rift from an AC/DC track to put in his? (Is was on a backstage episode). Thats copyright violation. So why do we support BroLo if he is guilty of sampling himself?

john le fucker · 02-22-2009, 10:30 AM

lol

alke · 02-22-2009, 11:28 AM

Oh and this crazy system that the menu says $8, but you are expected to pay $13? Luckily tax is include in all prices in Norway so I dont have to do calculus when ordering. Is it so insane to have a system where you pay what it says on the price tag?

Kupotek · 02-22-2009, 11:31 AM

Suggested Retail is just that: Suggested. I would think people would love that the American marketplace is becoming more and more like the Arab markets of Jerusalem. Next thing you know we'll have people being jailed for NOT haggling with their waiters!

Yarbles · 02-22-2009, 10:54 AM

Matt mentioned Shepard Fairey as an example of someone who "pay homage" to previous artists in his work. Take a look at some of the examples on this page and decide whether it's paying homage or outright theft.

Link

In some instances a good case can be made for fair use, but in others Fairey just sticks his trademark on a previous artwork and sells it as his own. It's also of note that Fairey has threatened to sue others who did the same thing with his work.

I'm reminded of Keith's rants on Podshow appropriating KATG as part of their "network" of podcasts. I'm not sure if Podshow just redistributed them or inserted their own ads and, like Fairey, used others work for financial gain.

Kupotek · 02-22-2009, 10:58 AM

Concerning Shepard Fairey and the Obama photo, the man who took the picture isn't suing Fairey, it's the AP. When asked about it the camera man
didn't seem to care about suing Fairey.

Honestly I think it's in Fair Use.

But Shepard Fairey is definitely stealing artwork and not doing anything except changing the color or adding a star to it or something real simple, and that is blatant plagiarism. It's trying to make an easy buck without having to actually come up with your own ideas.

Shepard Fairey should be sued.

firefighter_chick · 02-22-2009, 01:34 PM

hmm, do I really want mcnally in my car for like 15 hours after that??
haha, jk mcnally. hearts!

Leixes · 02-22-2009, 01:50 PM

Nazis (as german ww2 army members) where drafted.
Arab extremists are volunteer.

It is very unlikely that all Germans where nazis and that all of german-nazi-army members where ideologically nazi-believers.

Now, you can make the question about SS and affiliates, that would be a competitive question.

....there are a lot of retards around here.

motownguy · 02-22-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Leixes

Nazis (as german ww2 army members) where drafted.
Arab extremists are volunteer.

It is very unlikely that all Germans where nazis and that all of german-nazi-army members where ideologically nazi-believers.

Now, you can make the question about SS and affiliates, that would be a competitive question.

....there are a lot of retards around where.

I assumed we were already making that distinction here, but perhaps I was wrong.

Not all German soldiers were Nazis and not all Nazis were German soldiers. National Socialists were a political party.

Kupotek · 02-22-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by motownguy

I assumed we were already making that distinction here, but perhaps I was wrong.

Not all German soldiers were Nazis and not all Nazis were German soldiers. National Socialists were a political party.

No you're right. That much was a given.

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02-22-2009, 10:22 AM	#1 (permalink)
crazyrob Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 95	I have to agree with Matt on the point that Copyrights hinder creativity. I see the piont of having them yes as without them some people would not be willing to create more but it has just become a huge big business area where all these artists will can sue is for just borrowing one part of anothers and re conceptualizing all the other parts Watch the documentry "Good Copy, Bad Copy" it talks about the whole remix culture http://www.goodcopybadcopy.net/ (you can watch the film there, it brings interesting light to the whole remix, sampling, and copyright violation debate) Trailer If you want to get pissed at someone profiting from only sampling music of other artists to make his own, look up Girl Talk(link) this guy blatantly samples other music to make his own. The only reason Girl Talk isn't sued for his sampling is he doesn't profit from his CD sales he just makes money from touring. Which is where most artist make their money. Does anyone remember the backstage show where Brotherlove talked about taking a guitar rift from an AC/DC track to put in his? (Is was on a backstage episode). Thats copyright violation. So why do we support BroLo if he is guilty of sampling himself? Last edited by crazyrob; 02-22-2009 at 10:25 AM.
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alke Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 6	what does it cost? Oh and this crazy system that the menu says $8, but you are expected to pay $13? Luckily tax is include in all prices in Norway so I dont have to do calculus when ordering. Is it so insane to have a system where you pay what it says on the price tag?
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Kupotek Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cleveland Posts: 124	Suggested Retail is just that: Suggested. I would think people would love that the American marketplace is becoming more and more like the Arab markets of Jerusalem. Next thing you know we'll have people being jailed for NOT haggling with their waiters!
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02-22-2009, 10:54 AM	#5 (permalink)
Yarbles Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 19	Matt mentioned Shepard Fairey as an example of someone who "pay homage" to previous artists in his work. Take a look at some of the examples on this page and decide whether it's paying homage or outright theft. Link In some instances a good case can be made for fair use, but in others Fairey just sticks his trademark on a previous artwork and sells it as his own. It's also of note that Fairey has threatened to sue others who did the same thing with his work. I'm reminded of Keith's rants on Podshow appropriating KATG as part of their "network" of podcasts. I'm not sure if Podshow just redistributed them or inserted their own ads and, like Fairey, used others work for financial gain.
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02-22-2009, 10:58 AM	#6 (permalink)
Kupotek Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cleveland Posts: 124	Concerning Shepard Fairey and the Obama photo, the man who took the picture isn't suing Fairey, it's the AP. When asked about it the camera man didn't seem to care about suing Fairey. Honestly I think it's in Fair Use. But Shepard Fairey is definitely stealing artwork and not doing anything except changing the color or adding a star to it or something real simple, and that is blatant plagiarism. It's trying to make an easy buck without having to actually come up with your own ideas. Shepard Fairey should be sued.
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02-22-2009, 01:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
Leixes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 154	How do you define Nazis? Nazis (as german ww2 army members) where drafted. Arab extremists are volunteer. It is very unlikely that all Germans where nazis and that all of german-nazi-army members where ideologically nazi-believers. Now, you can make the question about SS and affiliates, that would be a competitive question. ....there are a lot of retards around here. Last edited by Leixes; 02-22-2009 at 01:59 PM. Reason: grammar stupidity. thanks motownguy
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