903: What's Yours is Mine

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by Amravanti

Would you like my pin number as well?

Not an incredible amount. Which is why I'm so strict with my savings.

What a great example of why Keith is skeptical of opinions from younger people. This guy is an idiot and a loudmouth, and apparently an irresponsible individual. I'm 20, and I have more money than this moron, guaranteed. And I made it by working for $9 an hour.

[sully_04]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

I'm 20, and I have more money than this moron, guaranteed. And I made it by working for $9 an hour.

i would imagine he is skeptical of the opinions of younger people because they make statements like this one ^.

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by sully_04

i would imagine he is skeptical of the opinions of younger people because they make statements like this one ^.

Some clarification would be nice. Are you busting on my job? Busting on my spending habits? Saying I am making an inaccurate appraisal?

[sully_04]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

Some clarification would be nice. Are you busting on my job? Busting on my spending habits? Saying I am making an inaccurate appraisal?

you cant think of one reason, maybe even remotely, why what you wrote would come across douchey?

do some soul searching, answer the question for yourself, fuck me, and then and only then will you have made progress.

[motownguy]

Originally Posted by DJ Trashy

Well YOU know that, and *I* know that, but that doesn't mean that some 20-year-old kid will be able to properly compare that to today's tunes.

Perhaps we need to strap them down and educate them?




Any volunteers?

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by sully_04

you cant think of one reason, maybe even remotely, why what you wrote would come across douchey?

do some soul searching, answer the question for yourself, fuck me, and then and only then will you have made progress.

I was addressing a skeptical attitude towards the ability of younger people to have reasonable opinions. You said I was wrong on that account. Now you say it is tone. Those are two different things. I will readily admit I am douchey. That's not the same as being wrong or arriving at flawed conclusions. You are not criticizing how wrong or right I am on something, or my stance on something, just how it comes across.

But this guy is talking about shortchanging waiters because he doesn't have the money, and I'm the asshole? Okay then. Good to know. Evidently I'm a douche for saying there is no excuse for not tipping 20%, because I have the money to do it, and I make shit. I freely embrace my cleansing properties, then.

[sully_04]

Originally Posted by motownguy

Perhaps we need to strap them down and educate them?




Any volunteers?

/will pay to see motownguy administer django reinhardt enemas.

[motownguy]

Originally Posted by sully_04

/will pay to see motownguy administer django reinhardt enemas.

Roxy could help out too, lest the image of DJTrashy and myself frighten too many people away. I'm sure seeing Sully seated quietly in the inky shadows of the indoctrination room would be a calming influence as well.

[sully_04]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

I was addressing a skeptical attitude towards the ability of younger people to have reasonable opinions. You said I was wrong on that account. Now you say it is tone. Those are two different things. I will readily admit I am douchey. That's not the same as being wrong or arriving at flawed conclusions. You are not criticizing how wrong or right I am on something, or my stance on something, just how it comes across.

But this guy is talking about shortchanging waiters because he doesn't have the money, and I'm the asshole? Okay then. Good to know. Evidently I'm a douche for saying there is no excuse for not tipping 20%, because I have the money to do it, and I make shit. I freely embrace my cleansing properties, then.

when you get older, and Im not that old, but have developed the ability to put things in perspective a lot quicker than I would 10 or 15 years ago. Maybe the older set is jaded this way because we didnt have the internet to yell at when we were going through the "my opinions matter and im going to talk loud until some one listens" days, we just dont give a fuck after one or two of these things, especially when I would have to explain myself to take this any further. you win. your the king of opinions, the king of work and the king of money...

[punk'n]

Originally Posted by Amravanti

I just want to say on the tipping issue, that even after listening the last few shows, and yes, I'm black (mostly), I still consider tipping entirely optional. If I simply don't have the cash, then I may feel guilty if the service was good, but I won't think of it as a big deal. I've gone out to eat knowing that I wouldn't be able to tip. It's something I try to avoid, but it's not something I'll apologize for.

I do tip fairly well, I think. Generally around 20%, but feel free to assume otherwise, because again, it's not a big deal to me. I tip due to appreciation, not obligation, and if I can't, I can't. I'm not your employer. Stop being a waiter if it sucks so much, and if it doesn't, stop whining. I've had crappy jobs, but I've never been a waiter, I understand that you put up with a lot of shit and you get shit wages, but no amount of indignation is going to make me feel guilty about not paying someone else's employee.

The guilty party here is any system that allows any employer to pay less than minimum wage, so don't look at me like I owe anyone anything, I pay for what I buy. Anything more is optional.

As far as why black people tip less, I don't know. My guess is that it's because black culture has adopted "the struggle" as it's own. Black people don't feel they owe anybody anything, if anything, the establishment should be tipping me for eating here, I have it hard too. I mean, why should I tip my waiter when I can't even get a cab in my own city after 6pm? It's like asking a drowning man to save a man on a sinking boat. Or the other way around, whatever. And even those that manage to rise above the struggle think along the lines of 'No one helped me out, so why should I help anyone?' And it's sad, but the Me vs. the World mentality is very much a large part of the culture, and probably plays a huge role, along with just general ignorance (I didn't know how badly waiters were paid either until about a month ago) in explaining why we tip so badly.

I'm pretty sure black people are poorer on average than white people, though, so I don't think the statistic on black/white tipping was very fair at all. I'm willing to bet dentists tip more than single mothers also. So part of it is probably just the fact that certain patterns are more overt, since we tend to categorize people by race instinctively anyway. It's easier to tell black person from a white person than it is to tell whether or not someone has two kids at home to feed. And everyone knows, any black person over the age of 16 is somebody's babymomma/daddy anyway.

My own opinion on tipping has nothing to do with either race or culture, though perhaps nationality does play a part (I was raised in Jamaica, where tipping is rare among locals and tourist alike, but where in general, waiters are paid relatively well). My opinion is just an opinion.

I regret that my first post on the forums takes such an invidious stance, but eh.

you suck at life. this issue has been beaten to the ground so i'll just leave it at that. but you're wrong and you should know it.