992: Keith is a Drunk

[dark_lobo]

Maybe he can do them without alcohol? At least I stayed up for a few parties drinking only water, people can have fun without alcohol.. right?

[Leixes]

Originally Posted by SmallMan

... 3rd. reason isn't really about the show affecting Keith's drinking, but the fact that people curb addictions when they start to affect their wellbeing directly, not because other people tell them that its harmful. ... Anyone who ever quit smoking did so after years of being told they stank and that it was costly and unnatractive. They didn't do it because of others, they did it because it became a problem for them personally. ...

You have good points there.

As things stand keith will only feel personally affected when chemda goes over her threshold about keith's alcoholism.

wise up keith.

[Stalker1977]

I don't think Keith will admit to being an alcoholic, as admitting it means he has to stop drinking ...


What's the difference between being an alcoholic and being a heavy drinker? Is it the "Alcoholics need to drink to function" and "An alcoholic's life/family is adversely affected by their drinking" test? Based on the listener's voyeuristic knowledge of Keith and his life - to what degree does Keith meet these definitions?

I've been trolling my way through the back catalog (again) and have just passed the show where Keith gave up drinking for a week (in the end to win $700 from a listener - this was when Chemda gave up diet coke). Would an alcoholic be able to do that? He didn't seem to suffer any physical withdrawals. Now Chemda obviously dislikes the amount Keith drinks but she is very much an enabler so can she really claim an adverse affect? Besides she seems unwilling to give up "choking a bitch" when Keith is so obviously disturbed by this ... so why should Keith give up the drink? He sure looked healthy enough in April and I believe he has liver function tests every year ...

Anyway, it's something to think about. I look forward to the Monday KaTG AA meetings. Judging by this crowd, I'm sure attendance will be high

[lizzy1e]

Originally Posted by dark_lobo

Maybe he can do them without alcohol? At least I stayed up for a few parties drinking only water, people can have fun without alcohol.. right?

Blasphemy!

I think Keith just needs to take a break for now and maybe just do the drinking and super party chat thing a couple of days a week... but of course, that's up to him.

[Junkenstein]

Personal anecdote: i was an alcoholic. Many times people told me i had a problem: friends, loved ones, doctors. I couldnt give a fuck. I tried to stop drinking repeatedly (and went to rehaband meetings), but i kept relapsing over and over. I was sent to an hospital a couple of times, for gulping lethal mixtures of alcohol and meds. Kept doing it. I was homeless, and the luittle money i made on dayjobs was spent mopstly on drinks. One day though, i had an accidents, while driving drunk, almost killing myself. The person i was with then, and who's still my companion today told me "That's enough". I stopped.

I know my case is not the same we're discussing about. What i mean is that the opiniuon of the person who really loves you and cares about you, is the real red light alert. They're the ones who can really see if you're fucking up. If you do not listen, things are going to end up badly. Again, that's how it was for me. Keith is an adult, so he has to decide for himself. That's all.

[Pintman]

This isn't meant to be preachy or to tell anyone what to do. I'm just telling you what I've experienced.

I lived thirty years with an active alcoholic, who is now 20+ months into recovery. A couple basic things I now realize: (1) you are powerless to force someone to stop drinking. The harder you try, the sicker you make yourself. (1a.) you can't tell an alcoholic what to do. (1b.) an alcoholic only quits when he's ready to quit.

For, literally, thirty years, I did all the classic things to get my loved one to stop: pouring drinks down the sink, taking keys, locking her in, screaming at her, etc. etc. All it did was make me whacked. When she got sober, it was because she was ready. Not a single thing I did in thirty freakin' years had anything to do with her getting sober.

Just sayin'

[lattaland]

Wow, this show really made me confront my own addictions and my own problems with day-to-day living. Thanks a lot, jerks.

[Eightball]

From personal experience.... There is no way to control the amount of alcohol once you reach a certain point in drinking. People that drink socially can say that they will cut down. People that drink to buzz, and have a good time, can't cut back. You're not in it for the fun anymore, you're drinking because you want to hit that spot where you are sloshed. That's why they say an alcoholic can't have just one drink.

Are you an alcoholic? Probably not. Try not drinking for a week. Easy way to tell. You'll want to have a couple since it's in your daily routine. That's normal. If you lose your shit and drink, then you may have an issue.

I picked out 3 days in the week where I will not touch booze for whatever reason. Even if it means making a business meeting awkward being the only one who isn't drinking at the table. The days of clarity help, and I've found that I am not drinking as much on the "drinky" days.

You're a young guy Keith. It would be a shame to pickle your organs at this age. It really fucks with you in the later years.


Keep us laughing... you lush...

[Keith]

Originally Posted by elvisrico69

NO MORE PARTYSUperparty

No worries, buddy. These tricksters can never stop The Party.

[Eightball]

Originally Posted by Leixes

You have good points there.

As things stand keith will only feel personally affected when chemda goes over her threshold about keith's alcoholism.

wise up keith.

I don't think so. If she loses her shit, and starts pushing on him to stop that's when he'll really start drinking. She should set an example, and do something healthy. Jogging etc. That way he will learn to hate what alcohol is doing to him.

I know it's corny, but that is the way most people think. Confrontation causes stress, and stress makes booze taste extra good.

There is always the laxitive in the beer trick. After the third or fourth day of massive squirts, he will associate horrible abdominal pain with the drinking. TADA! I fixed alcoholism. NEXT problem!