how much do you 'owe' the RIAA?

[Fourbid]

Originally Posted by BrownEyedBtch

You actually believe that? It's not a crime if you don't get caught? What an idiot.

You're putting words into my mouth, I didn't say it wasn't a crime. I said I didn't owe them anything. If I were to steal something from a store, that is in fact a crime. Though I wouldn't believe I owe them anything.

[strafer_praha]

I think I owe the RIAA and the MPAA my first and second born.

[dzagama]

Originally Posted by yoav

i'm in canada out of the riaa's jurisdiction, and it's legal here. also they tend to only sue people who don't know what they did was illegal usually someone's grandmother who's grandkid downloaded a couple songs while they were over. i also don't have a babillion dollars, i have about 4 so i don't look like prey to them anyway...

finally posting in a forum doesn't incriminate me, their evidence comes from the riaa sharing music themselves and grabbing the ips of people downloading from them, and then raiding that person's house. they have to find the music files that were downloaded and have the ip and filesharing logs to have a case. which if they did somehow sue me, i believe is entrapment.

yoav, I need ur help. How much is a babillion? And more importantly, wut's a babillion minus 2?

This is very urgent.

TIA!

[dzagama]

Originally Posted by yoav

im not anti artist though, im anti riaa, i support artists, and i'm not a thief in my country. Furthermore your logic that thieves who steal music for their own listening pleasure don't like music is ridiculously flawed.

and yoav, u know i love ye, but, a kid fucker's a kid fucker. regardless of which country the fuckee's be fucked.

[dzagama]

Originally Posted by KatGuhJam

Little bit of a new question here....

Suppose someone BUYS an edited CD. Is it okay for them to illegally download, through whatever means, unedited versions of the songs with censors?

Or, let's say, I RedBox a DVD and return it before watching it. Can I morally download copy to view once?

I tink we answered these sort of questions in another tred. Something to do with amortized costs and singletons.

penis?

[j2x]

Originally Posted by yoav

it's not about stealing vs. not stealing at this point, it's about a renaissance in the arts to suit our current culture and technology. record companies aren't interested in art. they're interested in putting out infomercials and making a profit. you can get kicked out of university for writing an essay that's simliar to what someone else wrote even if you thought of it by yourself because our thoughts are restricted by the man, you're not free to express your thoughts. ideas are intangible and have no intrinsic value.

very, very well said.

[j2x]

Originally Posted by yoav

like i said before i don't know everything but i do know that you're incredibly ignorant. it's blatantly obvious in your self contradiction and unnecessary swearing and name calling. good luck living in the box people put you in, i'm sure it's nice and cozy.

Try not to let Crusty the Troll get to you- he's just pushing your buttons so he can jerk off to your angry responses.

[j2x]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

You can't possibly try to say that the work someone puts into creating a song needs to be given to you for free, unless you are an insane person.

um, though I hate replying to your pity retorts, I must point out that companies like Google, Microsoft, and Adobe are monetizing freely distributed products and services. There IS a new model for producing a product and giving it away for free while STILL making money, as Keith and Chemda are proving every day.

[BrownEyedBtch]

Originally Posted by j2x

um, though I hate replying to your pity retorts, I must point out that companies like Google, Microsoft, and Adobe are monetizing freely distributed products and services. There IS a new model for producing a product and giving it away for free while STILL making money, as Keith and Chemda are proving every day.

There are contracts and agreements in place for companies to distribute their wares through Google, Microsoft, etc. Some stuff leaks through, but Google is not going to risk illegal distribution of materials and pending lawsuits. The companies who have their videos on Google video, Yahoo video, etc. can make money off of those sites via advertising.

I don't think KATG is the right example here. They put on a show for free, but have merchandise. Pirate the merchandise and keep them from making money on it, then that's a better example.

[j2x]

Originally Posted by BrownEyedBtch

There are contracts and agreements in place for companies to distribute their wares through Google, Microsoft, etc. Some stuff leaks through, but Google is not going to risk illegal distribution of materials and pending lawsuits. The companies who have their videos on Google video, Yahoo video, etc. can make money off of those sites via advertising.

I don't think KATG is the right example here. They put on a show for free, but have merchandise. Pirate the merchandise and keep them from making money on it, then that's a better example.

I was referring to the next generation of Web Apps that Google, Microsoft, and Adobe are pioneering. Software that cost the company big bucks to develop, but which is being made free to the consumer. There are alternatives to the old revenue generating methods. New Media, like KATG, is taking advantage of this, too.

Bands should make money off of merchandise, concerts, and ad space on their website. Please tell me, what purpose do publishers serve, other than lining their own pockets? It seems like artists can market and distribute themselves, especially if they're really good. They don't need a lot of capital to stamp thousands of CDs any more, so what's the point?