how much do you 'owe' the RIAA?

[j2x]

Originally Posted by yoav

it's not about stealing vs. not stealing at this point, it's about a renaissance in the arts to suit our current culture and technology. record companies aren't interested in art. they're interested in putting out infomercials and making a profit. you can get kicked out of university for writing an essay that's simliar to what someone else wrote even if you thought of it by yourself because our thoughts are restricted by the man, you're not free to express your thoughts. ideas are intangible and have no intrinsic value.

very, very well said.

[j2x]

Originally Posted by yoav

like i said before i don't know everything but i do know that you're incredibly ignorant. it's blatantly obvious in your self contradiction and unnecessary swearing and name calling. good luck living in the box people put you in, i'm sure it's nice and cozy.

Try not to let Crusty the Troll get to you- he's just pushing your buttons so he can jerk off to your angry responses.

[j2x]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

You can't possibly try to say that the work someone puts into creating a song needs to be given to you for free, unless you are an insane person.

um, though I hate replying to your pity retorts, I must point out that companies like Google, Microsoft, and Adobe are monetizing freely distributed products and services. There IS a new model for producing a product and giving it away for free while STILL making money, as Keith and Chemda are proving every day.

[BrownEyedBtch]

Originally Posted by j2x

um, though I hate replying to your pity retorts, I must point out that companies like Google, Microsoft, and Adobe are monetizing freely distributed products and services. There IS a new model for producing a product and giving it away for free while STILL making money, as Keith and Chemda are proving every day.

There are contracts and agreements in place for companies to distribute their wares through Google, Microsoft, etc. Some stuff leaks through, but Google is not going to risk illegal distribution of materials and pending lawsuits. The companies who have their videos on Google video, Yahoo video, etc. can make money off of those sites via advertising.

I don't think KATG is the right example here. They put on a show for free, but have merchandise. Pirate the merchandise and keep them from making money on it, then that's a better example.

[j2x]

Originally Posted by BrownEyedBtch

There are contracts and agreements in place for companies to distribute their wares through Google, Microsoft, etc. Some stuff leaks through, but Google is not going to risk illegal distribution of materials and pending lawsuits. The companies who have their videos on Google video, Yahoo video, etc. can make money off of those sites via advertising.

I don't think KATG is the right example here. They put on a show for free, but have merchandise. Pirate the merchandise and keep them from making money on it, then that's a better example.

I was referring to the next generation of Web Apps that Google, Microsoft, and Adobe are pioneering. Software that cost the company big bucks to develop, but which is being made free to the consumer. There are alternatives to the old revenue generating methods. New Media, like KATG, is taking advantage of this, too.

Bands should make money off of merchandise, concerts, and ad space on their website. Please tell me, what purpose do publishers serve, other than lining their own pockets? It seems like artists can market and distribute themselves, especially if they're really good. They don't need a lot of capital to stamp thousands of CDs any more, so what's the point?

[DJ Trashy]

I owe the RIAA JACK SHIT - regardless of my iTunes library size......

[BrownEyedBtch]

Originally Posted by DJ Trashy

I owe the RIAA JACK SHIT - regardless of my iTunes library size......

Now THAT is the correct answer!

[DJ Trashy]

Originally Posted by BrownEyedBtch

Now THAT is the correct answer!

Note that I did not say that all of my library is fully-licensed, legal, paid-for music. In fact most of it came from a friend.

[dzagama]

Can CDs be considered a type of merchandise?

And I may be incorrect, but I think bands choose to sign with RIAA-backed labels. Perhaps they shouldn't?

We could construct dual-realities: Copying music from RIAA-backed artists can be considered theft. Copying music from bands that sanction copying can be considered marketing.

Why put all bands in a single box?

[dzagama]

Originally Posted by j2x

Bands should make money off of merchandise, concerts, and ad space on their website. Please tell me, what purpose do publishers serve, other than lining their own pockets? It seems like artists can market and distribute themselves, especially if they're really good. They don't need a lot of capital to stamp thousands of CDs any more, so what's the point?

I'm not sure if I agree with you, but what purpose do publicists serve? What purpose does anyone who provides a service serve? With sufficient time, anyone can be taught to perform any service.