how much do you 'owe' the RIAA?

[Nebraskacountrygirl]

Cretaceous Bob: I love you!!!


I just read through all 8 pages. Took me a while, but I wanted all the information. If I made music, or whatever, and had it for sale, someone "Takes" it online, it's stealing.

My first question is:

I get books on CD from the liabrary, I put them on my ipod so I can' listen to them anywhere, then delete them when I'm done with them. Does this constitude stealing? I hope not. (I'm on the side of no stealing)

My other question is: Why do I always fall on the oppisite side as Yoav in the forums?

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by cbooty

Was Ghandi a thief for "stealing" salt?

A few parallels as there is zero unit cost for both and the only value each has is what's afforded by laws the majority of people find unfair.

That's different; Ghandi was not demanding that people who labored to package salt and ship it to merchants give it to people for free. He protested taxes, which is a different thing entirely.

I get your point, but let me put it this way:

Ghandi would have been a fucking douche if what he did actually paralleled what these idiots are advocating (i.e., the situation described above).

[j2x]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

The only people talking about a "renaissance" are worthless shits who make nothing, and the people who actually make art are bitching about pirates and TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO PAY FOR THEIR STUFF

you have no idea what I do, don't pretend that you do. I'd be happy to talk about it, but don't assume you know me. You are such a cliche.

[dzagama]

Originally Posted by j2x

If the "market" is defined by the consumers, then it changed long ago when media became freely distributable online and CD sales were eclipsed by digital online sales. The only part of the equation that's behind is the big labels. Even the most conservative musicians have adopted some form of online retail.

I don't think I've ever advocated theft, but I am a huge proponent of New Media and the inherent shift in monetization. Those who are going to succeed are going to be those who flexibly adapt to the new paradigm.

I still don't get how that sanctions stealing RIAA-backed music.

Why steal music from irresponsible, short-sighted artists? The RIAA-signed artist is your enemy, they are the food on which the RIAA feeds.

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by j2x

If the "market" is defined by the consumers, then it changed long ago when media became freely distributable online and CD sales were eclipsed by digital online sales. The only part of the equation that's behind is the big labels. Even the most conservative musicians have adopted some form of online retail.

What's your point? You're not talking about giving shit away for free there.

I don't care if or how the market changes, so long as it changes because of some other reason than theft.

Originally Posted by j2x

I don't think I've ever advocated theft, but I am a huge proponent of New Media and the inherent shift in monetization. Those who are going to succeed are going to be those who flexibly adapt to the new paradigm.

That's fine.

But thieves are not your brethren. Do not associate with them, or defend them, or you will be counted among them.

Again: if record labels are out of date, so be it. But if they have to be forced out of business by thieves, they are not out of date.

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by j2x

you have no idea what I do, don't pretend that you do. I'd be happy to talk about it, but don't assume you know me. You are such a cliche.

Tell me what art you make.

I'll tell you why I know you: anyone who's actually made anything worth paying for doesn't advocate taking things people ask money for.

[j2x]

Originally Posted by dzagama

I still don't get how that sanctions stealing RIAA-backed music.

Why steal music from irresponsible, short-sighted artists? The RIAA-signed artist is your enemy, they are the food on which the RIAA feeds.

I'm sorry I've been portrayed as a rebellious thief. I do not advocate theft. I do encourage progressive change. I don't steal music, but I don't pay for it, either. I stream it or I get a copy from a friend (remember old bootleg tapes?).

i agree that it is very black and white as the law is currently written: if you steal it you can be charged with theft. I am advocating changing the law.

[dzagama]

Originally Posted by cbooty

Was Ghandi a thief for "stealing" salt?

A few parallels as there is zero unit cost for both and the only value each has is what's afforded by laws the majority of people find unfair.

Unfortunately, I don't see your point. The British had a monopoly on salt. The RIAA is not suing artists who self-publish, or people who steal from non-RIAA-backed artists.

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by j2x

i agree that it is very black and white as the law is currently written: if you steal it you can be charged with theft. I am advocating changing the law.

If you think the law should make what the woman in the original post did legal, you are advocating theft.

[j2x]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

Again: if record labels are out of date, so be it. But if they have to be forced out of business by thieves, they are not out of date.

I don't believe this is a proper argument. Businesses and governments have been made obsolete or "bankrupt" throughout history because of all sorts of negative reasons. War, death, theft, embezzlement, etc. These are all forces of human nature that have forever been and will forever be. To succeed is to adapt.

you may not WANT a business to close due to theft, but that's an idealistic opinion that's not going to stand in the way of it happening.