I hate the Amish, why the fuck are they allowed to vote?

[picard102]

Originally Posted by mowzie

But you've nailed it- everyone else immigrated here, whereas they were ostensibly the 'first peoples' who had their culture taken from them... it was morally wrong, they deserve compensation. We are at an impasse!

They immigrated here as well. Should I seek out some sort of compensation from the Greek government, or Italy for altering the course of culture when they conquered Europe?

[Station]

Can we get back to hating Amish people?

[DWarrior]

I just fucking posted the fact that they pay taxes. Fuck you all for continuing this ridiculousness.

[fluxquanta]

Originally Posted by Station

Can we get back to hating Amish people?

Sorry for bringing it up dude, but most points still hold.

As far as having a debt to pay toward Natives, Canada nor US owe them anything. We didn't take their land. That's all shit from the past that nobody living today had anything to do with, and at the risk of sounding incredibly callous, they should get over it.

[picard102]

Originally Posted by mowzie

I think there is something in the fact that it was so recent

So in 1,000 years should they still have the same special privileges? When does it become okay to move forward?

Originally Posted by mowzie

It is extremely politically unpalatable to hold your opinion, and I'm okay with that too.

While it's unpopular to voice, I wouldn't say I'm in a minority for thinking everyone should be equal.

Originally Posted by mowzie

The implications of your position are terrifying- it almost suggests that America could justifiably conquer us at any moment because, realistically, we couldn't fight back, and we should just take it because they are superior.

We live in an age now where that's simply not possible. But for most of history yes, if you could not adequately defend your borders you lose. If this wasn't the case then you'd have every European and Asian government paying someone for winning wars.

That's not to say you don't try to fight invading forces, but when you lose you lose.

[hoshnobobo2.0]

there are only like a hundred of them does it really matter?

[skeetshart69]

Originally Posted by fluxquanta

Sorry for bringing it up dude, but most points still hold.

As far as having a debt to pay toward Natives, Canada nor US owe them anything. We didn't take their land. That's all shit from the past that nobody living today had anything to do with, and at the risk of sounding incredibly callous, they should get over it.

Holy shit, dude. I just read through this thread and most of what you've said about Native Americans is atrocious. I'm surprised that you think 'shit from the past' is completely irrelevant, and because you personally have not messed with any Native culture, they shouldn't receive any special attention. Your argument that I quoted can be summed up with the grade school logic of finders keepers, losers weepers.

You DO realize that the U.S. govt fucked them up and they are still reeling from the consequences, right? They were forced to move to shitty reservations (Indian Appropriations act - 1851), many of which were on land resistant to farming, causing starvation... Many treaties made by the govt not kept... Off-reservation hunting prohibitions... Minimal government and outside investment... The historical subordination of Indian nations... The intentional stripping away of indigenous political power... The wholesale expropriation of native economic resources... The situational obstacles many of today’s would-be tribal developers face in their search for investment capital and accessible markets. We gave them a DIRECT FUCKING for a god-damn century!

And of course, PEOPLE ARE STILL RACIST FUCKING ASSHOLES and continue to discriminate against Indians.

Saying that they are dicks because they commit a lot of crimes and are alcoholics is overlooking the main problem, too. Most don't have a good combination of a job, education, and stability in general. What the hell do you expect is going to happen?

Oh, and don't say that they can just move off of the reservations, get a good job, and everything will be just peachy. That bullshit won't fly.

More fun facts:
Native Americans remain at the bottom in almost every measurable economic category. Indians earn only a little more than half as much money as the average American-less money per capita than whites, blacks, Asian Americans, and Hispanics. Nearly one-third of Native Americans live in poverty, which is more than twice the rate for Americans in general. American Indian couples earn $71 for every $100 earned by all United States married couples.

Get educated. These people deserve more than the shit life they were given. *Full disclosure on why I feel so strongly* My friend's dad is a doctor that works on reservations. I visited one he was working on and it made me really rethink my position on Native Americans.

[DWarrior]

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[NoArmsJames]

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