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Svage 05-15-2022 12:18 AM
Terrorist shoots up a supermarket in Buffalo while streaming it on twitch
 
I'm sure you guys have heard the news. A white supremacist wrote a manifesto and drove 200miles to go and specifically target black people.

Now people are dead. And they took him alive.

My heart hurts for those who died. It's senseless violence.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05...ffalo-shooting

CsisandDesist 05-16-2022 07:47 AM
I live about 40 minutes away from Buffalo and I have a lot of friends there in the cycling community. I figured something was wrong when friends started marking themselves as safe.

Horrific event streamed live on the internet, the video is just terrible, and the manifesto well it is something to behold.

Now of course, we have the right wing news outlets and some politicians, claiming false flag event, recruitment by the FBI and the usual.

Ten people are dead and people are pushing an agenda, un-fucking believable.

nordcharonmir 05-16-2022 02:02 PM
Absolutely disgusting stuff. Terrorist surrendered instead of killing himself like he planned, as a society the right thing to do is get a short rope and tall tree.

Really disgusting to see this tragedy IMMEDIATELY politicized and used to monger fear to get knee jerk reactions.

The selective coverage (this is fetishized and will be a mainstay in the media for a long time, 21 shot in milwakee but that's not nearly as divisive as "white male" Liberal Neo-Green Socialist/Fascist with racist agenda shoots blacks), type of coverage and the blatant cherry picking/lying by the media has been really transparent for people paying attention but most people will buy all this shit, scary times man.

CsisandDesist 05-16-2022 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by nordcharonmir (Post 893548)
Absolutely disgusting stuff. Terrorist surrendered instead of killing himself like he planned, as a society the right thing to do is get a short rope and tall tree.

Really disgusting to see this tragedy IMMEDIATELY politicized and used to monger fear to get knee jerk reactions.

The selective coverage (this is fetishized and will be a mainstay in the media for a long time, 21 shot in milwakee but that's not nearly as divisive as "white male" Liberal Neo-Green Socialist/Fascist with racist agenda shoots blacks), type of coverage and the blatant cherry picking/lying by the media has been really transparent for people paying attention but most people will buy all this shit, scary times man.
He didn't plan to kill himself in much of the manifesto that I have read so far, I haven't seen a reference as yet to killing himself. So far from what I have read, he had planned to stand trial and plead guilty, with a desire to become famous so he could get his message out there.

To be fair on the politicization front, he published a 180 page manifesto and his Discord logs are out there as well, he was politicizing this himself. The becoming famous part used to be a no-no in the media.

Also, the left wing news sources wording is poor and not professional in a lot of cases, however, the right wing false flag suggestions are just as egregious.

He calls out the false flag narrative in his manifesto, hinting that it would be used.

Tons of "research" amassed to come to this conclusion.

He rails on and on about intelligence etc and does this. I hope you don't own any weapons nordcharonmir as I see a similar pattern of speech between your posts here and his manifesto. I was concerned that you hadn't posted until now as I thought you may have been shuffling off to well....you know where.

nordcharonmir 05-16-2022 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CsisandDesist (Post 893551)
He didn't plan to kill himself in much of the manifesto that I have read so far, I haven't seen a reference as yet to killing himself. So far from what I have read, he had planned to stand trial and plead guilty, with a desire to become famous so he could get his message out there.
His FBI file has his statements as planning to commit murder-suicide when he spoke to the appointed mental health professionals a year or two back. Was also his stated intent for his school shooting threats. Also put rifle to his neck when cops arrived and kept it there throughout negotiator talking him down and surrendering...that's where I got the planned to kill himself idea from.

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Originally Posted by CsisandDesist (Post 893551)
To be fair on the politicization front, he published a 180 page manifesto and his Discord logs are out there as well, he was politicizing this himself. The becoming famous part used to be a no-no in the media.
Very interesting how his political views are being intentionally obscured if this was the case. Given you have read some of these documents...do you think his political views are being discussed or that just his racism is being discussed in the media? Did he talk about gun control constantly b/c that seems to be item 2 after racism? What did he say?

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Originally Posted by CsisandDesist (Post 893551)
Also, the left wing news sources wording is poor and not professional in a lot of cases, however, the right wing false flag suggestions are just as egregious.
Both are absolute horse shit. Haven't heard anything about the false flag suggestions from journalists...I've only seen trolling "Glowie" posts from stupid people.

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Originally Posted by CsisandDesist (Post 893551)
He calls out the false flag narrative in his manifesto, hinting that it would be used.
Because he was fucking stupid and read those troll site idiots and couldn't understand that they are wrong and almost always trolls who don't believe that stupid shit anyway....this is the exact same issue with him buying into that "replacement theory" thing. At this point it appears he is a mentally handicapped child with mild to severe aspergers and depressive disorders...at best and at worst psychopathic or schizophrenic but either way...of course he couldn't tell the difference.

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Originally Posted by CsisandDesist (Post 893551)
He rails on and on about intelligence etc and does this. I hope you don't own any weapons nordcharonmir as I see a similar pattern of speech between your posts here and his manifesto. I was concerned that you hadn't posted until now as I thought you may have been shuffling off to well....you know where.
That is an incredible statement...you clearly don't understand my positions. This is the EXACT thinking I've been trying to dissuade. This guy has a lot more in common with Rod and Billy Pressita than me, incredible how you could miss this. Maybe because he published long manifestos and I write long posts b/c that's where any similarity ends...is that really how simple this is that you could think something like that...that's just incredible.

Keith 05-16-2022 06:18 PM
We can all see it. But don't take that in for even a second.

CsisandDesist 05-16-2022 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by nordcharonmir (Post 893559)
His FBI file has his statements as planning to commit murder-suicide when he spoke to the appointed mental health professionals a year or two back. Was also his stated intent for his school shooting threats. Also put rifle to his neck when cops arrived and kept it there throughout negotiator talking him down and surrendering...that's where I got the planned to kill himself idea from.



Very interesting how his political views are being intentionally obscured if this was the case. Given you have read some of these documents...do you think his political views are being discussed or that just his racism is being discussed in the media? Did he talk about gun control constantly b/c that seems to be item 2 after racism? What did he say?



Both are absolute horse shit. Haven't heard anything about the false flag suggestions from journalists...I've only seen trolling "Glowie" posts from stupid people.



Because he was fucking stupid and read those troll site idiots and couldn't understand that they are wrong and almost always trolls who don't believe that stupid shit anyway....this is the exact same issue with him buying into that "replacement theory" thing. At this point it appears he is a mentally handicapped child with mild to severe aspergers and depressive disorders...at best and at worst psychopathic or schizophrenic but either way...of course he couldn't tell the difference.



That is an incredible statement...you clearly don't understand my positions. This is the EXACT thinking I've been trying to dissuade. This guy has a lot more in common with Rod and Billy Pressita than me, incredible how you could miss this. Maybe because he published long manifestos and I write long posts b/c that's where any similarity ends...is that really how simple this is that you could think something like that...that's just incredible.
Let's be clear here, this manifesto is 100% white supremacist justification for targeting blacks and replacement theory, with quite a bit of anti-Semitism, however, he justifies that there are jews that are ok because they don't take his tax money. His discussion of race is by far the biggest part when compared to politics. In short his politics are very much a back seat to his race views and his call to go to war.

He talks about gun control in terms of he decided to do the attack in New York because less chance of getting shot by a civilian.

He has a message to Conservatives, a message to Democrats, but this is very small compared to the pages and pages about race and "the jews".

A very large percentage is the research he did into weapons and protective gear and ammunition, basically to pass on the knowledge to others it is close to 50% in terms of volume.

From what is in the manifesto, it will be very difficult for him to be declared non-compos mentis, he states specifically, he knows what he is doing, will plead guilty and will do jail time happily for the cause.

In know you think that the racial part is being over played, but it really isn't this was 100% racially motivated.

nordcharonmir 05-17-2022 02:15 PM
Due to the censorship and me not being available to do the research prior to the censorship it has taken a minute to find the source document...I am now reviewing it and will respond once I'm up to speed.

nordcharonmir 05-17-2022 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CsisandDesist (Post 893564)
Let's be clear here, this manifesto is 100% white supremacist justification for targeting blacks and replacement theory, with quite a bit of anti-Semitism, however, he justifies that there are jews that are ok because they don't take his tax money. His discussion of race is by far the biggest part when compared to politics. In short his politics are very much a back seat to his race views and his call to go to war.
I 100% agree with you that his main issue was racism. Racism and politics are exclusive ideas despite the fact that many political ideologies try to leverage racism, but they are still two different things. BUT...my point was that the media is intentionally misleading their audiences about the political motivation. Example - Almost every single media outlet has called this guy Alt Right, or Right Extremist. Though his manifesto is totally written from a far left perspective (mostly copy and pasted from another far left author but the new additions here are in the same path) as in making everything about racism (this is a cornerstone of postmodernism), he even openly admits to his political believes which minimizes the readers duty to understand poli psy;

"On the political compass I fall in the mild-moderate authoritarian left category, and I would prefer to be called a populist."

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Originally Posted by CsisandDesist (Post 893564)
He talks about gun control in terms of he decided to do the attack in New York because less chance of getting shot by a civilian.
Was there any inference about trying to use legal guns to make sure more gun regulation is one of the fallouts of his act? Yes, is the answer for the casual observer.

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Originally Posted by CsisandDesist (Post 893564)
From what is in the manifesto, it will be very difficult for him to be declared non-compos mentis, he states specifically, he knows what he is doing, will plead guilty and will do jail time happily for the cause.
Legally I 100% agree here too...BUT after reading this thing and for those who weren't knowledgeable about what psychopathy is, Keith just did a questionnaire about it related to his father...this guy is checking a lot of boxes. I would argue a few points for the full diagnosis but I can see heavy mental deficiencies.

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Originally Posted by CsisandDesist (Post 893564)
In know you think that the racial part is being over played, but it really isn't this was 100% racially motivated.
What are you talking about? I in no way think the racial part is over played...in fact it is part and parcel with many of my arguments on this board for a long time. This "race are central to every interaction and are the most important things in the entire world" shit is a cornerstone of the problem, this guy exemplifies the same message I keep railing against!

nordcharonmir 05-17-2022 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Keith (Post 893560)
We can all see it. But don't take that in for even a second.
You clearly do not understand the central point of just about everything I've said on your forum then.


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