Victorian bushfires

Rock 'n' Rye · 02-09-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Cock Rings

Is it true that some of these fires started just because it got so hot that gum trees spontaneously combusted? Hasn't there been a severe drought in the area? It's not all arson, right?

Also, does anybody know if Wangaratta area is effected? I have an old friend down there, but I lost his contact info a few years ago.

Some of them are natural, and it has been hot enough, but I haven't heard anything to confirm or deny spontaneous combustion.

And yeah there's been severe drought for about 10 years or so. Even thought QLD is flooded in areas, those greedy bogans.

Not sure about wangaratta. but it's right next to Beechworth so it might be under danger.

brizzlewizzle · 02-09-2009, 10:57 PM

The trees in front the fire certainly to combust before the fire front gets there, not sure about that actually being the start though. The oil in the trees certainly does burn well once it gets enough heat into it.

In the week leading upto the fires, vic had something like 8 days of 40c+ temps in a row and has had a total of about 2mm rain for the last month, so yeh, the bush was tinder dry. Then they got some big hot winds. The fires could have been set off by anything really, cigarette buts, glass bottles, car exhausts, etc. But really the combination of super dry heat and strong winds meant that it was pretty much inevitable that this was going to happen.

I'm not sure I buy the arson claims, people are just looking for a scapegoat I think. Some of them could have been arson, but not many I think.

AiNE · 02-09-2009, 11:08 PM

im sure there has been arsonist, theres always arsonists. theres a mountain in the yarra valley that always gets intentionally lit. this year is the first year i think it was a natural fire.

theyre saying some farmers were the arsonists... which i would kinda believe at this point in time... people are doin it hard!

Big M · 02-09-2009, 11:10 PM

Update on death toll
Confirmed 173 but Police think it may reach 300

dzagama · 02-09-2009, 11:16 PM

Buck Fush?

Rock 'n' Rye · 02-09-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AiNE

im sure there has been arsonist, theres always arsonists. theres a mountain in the yarra valley that always gets intentionally lit. this year is the first year i think it was a natural fire.

Mount Dandenong? Because we had 23 fires here last year, all deliberate spot fires. they were all put out before they did much damage at all but still.

fucking Idiots!

brizzlewizzle · 02-09-2009, 11:26 PM

Interesting, NASA temperature guage before the fires started. It doesn't say what the scale is though

But you can see, that Vic was super hot.

tuttle88 · 02-09-2009, 11:28 PM

We do have a big problem with arson in Australia. Something about dry brush, total fireban days and our history of terrible fires makes people want to set shit on fire.

About half of Australian bushfires are deliberately lit. Link.

Today amongst all the news about Victorian bushfires someone lit a fire in Belair National Park in SA. Link.

Arson and lightening strikes are the leading causes of fire in Australia. Many people see tho conditions you've been describing and see it as an oppertunity to start a fire.

I have a friend who volunteers for the CFS on high fire danger days police are put on surveillance details to watch known firebugs.

People are not just looking for scapegoats arsonists are a real danger to this country, and while the causes of some of the fires may change as information comes in I think you will be suprised at just how many will turn out to be deliberately lit.

brizzlewizzle · 02-09-2009, 11:36 PM

Fair enough, I'm happy to be proven wrong. These guys are gonna be in for a rough time if they get caught. ( as they should be ).

I guess it depends on the definitions used too.

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Victorian police have already made their first arrest over the fires -- a 40-year-old man in Narre Warren North, an outer southeastern suburb of Melbourne, accused of using a power tool on Saturday, which was a total fire ban day.

Now, I wouldn't call this arson, but rather just plan stupidity.

AiNE · 02-10-2009, 12:47 AM

no, its a really small mountain in warburton, if you go there and look back down the road you came in on, you can see the burnt trees on it

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brizzlewizzle Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 104	The trees in front the fire certainly to combust before the fire front gets there, not sure about that actually being the start though. The oil in the trees certainly does burn well once it gets enough heat into it. In the week leading upto the fires, vic had something like 8 days of 40c+ temps in a row and has had a total of about 2mm rain for the last month, so yeh, the bush was tinder dry. Then they got some big hot winds. The fires could have been set off by anything really, cigarette buts, glass bottles, car exhausts, etc. But really the combination of super dry heat and strong winds meant that it was pretty much inevitable that this was going to happen. I'm not sure I buy the arson claims, people are just looking for a scapegoat I think. Some of them could have been arson, but not many I think.
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