1384: I am Woman

[Junkenstein]

i come from a culture where people touch and hug each other a lot and i always thought that people who frak out excessively about it, are weirdos (i wont hug you but if during a conversation i touch and you eek, then i think were not ever going to talk again) but it also depends on the type of touching.

this guy sounds like a creep, though. potential molester alert? ew.

[Huggie]

Originally Posted by Blitzgal

No, this assumes that men are human beings who know how to walk down the street without flinging their shit like a monkey.

Then, unfortunately, you live in an exaggerated fantasy.

Originally Posted by Blitzgal

Every person has some responsibility to be aware of their surroundings and behave accordingly, and guess what? THAT INCLUDES MEN having to be responsible for their own behavior. You are a fucking sociopath if you think it's cool to follow, harass, and put your hands on any woman you feel like touching because she has the audacity to be attractive in public.

This is why we have sexual harassment laws. But unless you're willing to walk around with a camcorder and sue every guy that touches you funny, you should practice your own due-diligence in preventing unwanted attention.

Originally Posted by Blitzgal

And as a sidenote, you are totally one of those guys who gets called "creepy" and doesn't understand why, aren't you?

I'm actually very respectful. Most women consider me sweet; and that's because I recognize that "creepy" guys do exist and I try my best to separate myself from them.

I'm just arguing that we don't live in utopia. The reality is that men are stronger than women and more capable of taking advantage of an "attractive" opportunity. Therefore, women should be proactive in establishing a line and ensuring that no one crosses it.

[Bucho]

Originally Posted by Blitzgal

Okay, this is real simple. You can try to strike up a conversation with a woman that you find attractive. And she has an equal right to turn you down, even if she's dressed for sex. Because like you, she is a person with agency. And if you ignore her request that you stop your advances, you are an asshole.

It really is that simple.

And as a fan of provocative dressing it's a shame to have to say this but it's also important for girls to recognise that there are plenty of those cowardly assholes out there who are looking for any excuse to take advantage and that although it's 100% within a woman's rights to dress provocatively it's not always smart to do so - and especially not smart to let yourself get into a situation where you don't have some kind of backup.

There are parts of my town I have every right to walk the streets in any time day or night, but that doesn't mean I think it's a good idea to do that.

[Junkenstein]

i havent seen clash of the titans but isnt the whole greek mythology full of rapist gods who fuck mortals all over the place?

i remember that freaking me out in school

[marina]

Originally Posted by Bucho

It really is that simple.

And as a fan of provocative dressing it's a shame to have to say this but it's also important for girls to recognise that there are plenty of those cowardly assholes out there who are looking for any excuse to take advantage and that although it's 100% within a woman's rights to dress provocatively it's not always smart to do so - and especially not smart to let yourself get into a situation where you don't have some kind of backup.

There are parts of my town I have every right to walk the streets in any time day or night, but that doesn't mean I think it's a good idea to do that.

The problem with this is that I agree 100%, but people will use this very logical and realistic argument to say that the woman deserved it. That's the part I feel is a problem.

Yes, as a female you should protect your self, yes, younger women maybe don't realize that yet and are frequently victims of creepers. However, stating that a woman's dress implies consent more than her words and actions do is a step too far.

If I went out into the street right now, found a shirtless man and grabbed his hairy man titties (which is something I always want to do when I see a shirtless man, but I don't because I'm polite). No one would think twice if he shoved me and started freaking out. But if it was a shirtless lady, she'd be a cunt.

Yeah, this is the society that we live in, but the reality of implied consent based on gender is a difficult one to navigate, especially since this is something that we, as women, grow up with, but are never really taught.

Dealing with the reality of having/being one of the world's most popular commodities is something that every female has to navigate on her own.

[Huggie]

Originally Posted by marina

The problem with this is that I agree 100%, but people will use this very logical and realistic argument to say that the woman deserved it. That's the part I feel is a problem.

Of course women never deserve to be raped. But, in the words of Charlie Sheen...

"You could have planned better. You didn't."

Originally Posted by marina

Dealing with the reality of having/being one of the world's most popular commodities is something that every female has to navigate on her own.

I agree 100%

[Blitzgal]

Originally Posted by Huggie

Of course women never deserve to be raped. But, in the words of Charlie Sheen...

Yeah, you've just confirmed everything I've said about you.

Originally Posted by Bucho

There are parts of my town I have every right to walk the streets in any time day or night, but that doesn't mean I think it's a good idea to do that.

And that's what I said. Everyone has responsibility for their own actions. He's trying to argue that women are responsible for themselves AND also for the behavior of the men around them. So, if I'm wearing sloppy sweats and get harassed, that's my fault because I still have tits and a pussy under those clothes. Hillary Clinton got erased from history while wearing a pantsuit, obviously her fault.

But now for some levity. Here's a guy going nuts on a NYC subway. Obviously some woman was wearing leggings and he couldn't control himself:

Berserk Naked Racist Wig-Out Marks Another Day on the NYC Subways

[Gibeault]

Don't worry Keith, you aren't a pre-Madonna. I refuse to watch anything that isn't a 720p or better rip. Screeners and boot-legs alike are unwatchable.

[drunkenass]

Originally Posted by Gibeault

Don't worry Keith, you aren't a pre-Madonna. I refuse to watch anything that isn't a 720p or better rip. Screeners and boot-legs alike are unwatchable.

pre-Madonna?

[Bridgetsquare]

Originally Posted by Medium Brumski

Simply for the sake of the story, and not because I have a crush on her or anything, but does Bridget have a boyfriend that could've come to her defense?

That is irrelevant. I am not a possession to be guarded, I'm a human being. And I can stand up for myself just fine. I managed to get out of his grip on my wrist all by my little old self and successfully screamed go fuck yourself while flipping him off on my way out the door.

This whole thing has been extremely embarrassing for me. A lot of unwanted attention for something that happens to me all the time as it does for most woman who go out on their own often. I can say that I'm at least glad it brought about a conversation on air that I think brings to light an important issue. Men can be predators and it's gross. Not to say that woman can't be just as bad, because I've witnessed both sides. It just sucks, it ruins an evening.

So word to the wise for men and women, get the hint. If someone isn't interested, move on. And for the love of god, don't physically touch people or restrain them, you'e just asking for a lot of trouble.