1550: Ladies' Man

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Originally Posted by thirteen

...at a certain point of repeating yourself, those thoughts will leak into your personal life and how you come across to others.

Hmm...maybe. It's like a 'misogynistic mantra,' you say? Also, I feel like the women who fall all over themselves for Pat Dixon; are mistaking his strong viewpoints for confidence.

[thirteen]

Keith, for example, has some misogynistic comedy too and frequently calls women "sluts" and "whores" on the show, but he has also stood up for women on many, many occasions. Especially when it comes to criminal acts against them. You can usually tell when he really means something and when it's more of a joke.

I did like the side of Pat that I saw on Chemda's "What's My Name Show" podcast.

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Someone needs to make an 'I'm VIP, Baby' thingy that's similar to the 'I Donated, It's Your Turn Ya Cheap Fuck!' thing. A 'What's My Name' show included in some way would be nice as well..

[powderjester]

I've heard Pat's incredibly insightful thoughts on relationships way too much to think he's a misogynist, but can see how his comedy could be seen that way. For me it comes down to intent. He intends to entertain not denigrate.

[Darrknox]

See, this is what I'm thinking, people think the poll is "Is Pat a Misogynist?" even though we all know he's not. No one is calling Pat anything, the poll is clearly titled: "Is Pat Dixon's comedy misogynistic?" Which I'd be hard-pressed to understand how it's not, considering the demographic it disparages. It's still funny, and Pat's a great guy, but try to be objective.

In the name of science!

[powderjester]

Originally Posted by Darrknox

See, this is what I'm thinking, people think the poll is "Is Pat a Misogynist?" even though we all know he's not. No one is calling Pat anything, the poll is clearly titled: "Is Pat Dixon's comedy misogynistic?" Which I'd be hard-pressed to understand how it's not, considering the demographic it disparages. It's still funny, and Pat's a great guy, but try to be objective.

In the name of science!

hehe, science.

[Incognito]

Misogyny is a hatred of women, which I do not think Pat's comedy falls under. I think he is merely working an easy angle to get an expected response (i.e. make fun of women's value placed on appearance, their legitimacy in the workplace, etc.), which he does. Even the women are laughing at it and as with any crowd, there will be at least one person who will be outraged over it, but that's really not at fault with Pat if they get offended.

I would qualify Pat's material as more sexist than anything else. But, he's also a man who knows what he wants and typically gets it, an attractive quality in a person, so clearly the female audience members aren't that too upset at his shows.

[Darrknox]

Originally Posted by Incognito

Misogyny is a hatred of women, which I do not think Pat's comedy falls under. I think he is merely working an easy angle to get an expected response (i.e. make fun of women's value placed on appearance, their legitimacy in the workplace, etc.), which he does. Even the women are laughing at it and as with any crowd, there will be at least one person who will be outraged over it, but that's really not at fault with Pat if they get offended.

I would qualify Pat's material as more sexist than anything else. But, he's also a man who knows what he wants and typically gets it, an attractive quality in a person, so clearly the female audience members aren't that too upset at his shows.

Misogyny isn't just hatred though, that would be the extreme side of it, and is an easy out for people not quite at hatred but definitely past just general annoyance. Misogyny can be classified as dislike, or illogical mistrust of women, which I think the comedy does fall into the definition of. Just like Misanthropy can be called a hatred of people, as people will always be people there's obviously a large gray area. I consider myself misanthropic, but I definitely don't hate people. I sometimes need to be away from people, and a bit too often dislike people, but the jump to hatred bypasses a whole lot of runs on the way up. So you see why that's a stretched definition don't you?

Why, or why not Pat chooses his comedic route has no effect on what the comedy ends up being. The way the a piece is written is the way it's written. That's not to say people shouldn't take Pat's intention into consideration, of course they should, which is why no one is calling Pat misogynist a distinction made explicitly multiple times by Keith and Chemda on the episode.

I've been known to find a racist joke extremely amusing, as well as jokes making fun of the disabled or mentally challenged; but that doesn't mean the jokes aren't racist, or the material doesn't specifically disparage people of those situations. Who does or does not get mad at it, is completely up the person, but the category of which the comedy falls under is quite black and white.

Laughing at a racist joke, or being offended by a racist joke has no bearing on whether or not the joke is racist. Anyone would say it was, without hesitation. To claim that, because some black people find a racist joke hilarious (ding ding, that's me) detracts from it's racism because those who disparage are okay with it is a bit crazy, and would even be mentioned in most other politically incorrect jokes.

Anyway, that's all I wanted to say, I'm a stickler for logic.