Latest Episode
Play

Go Back   Keith and The Girl Forums Keith and The Girl Forums Show Talk

Show Talk Talk about the show

View Poll Results: If you were one of Farah’s subjects in the video, would you have been annoyed?
Yes 31 52.54%
No 28 47.46%
Voters: 59. You may not vote on this poll

Like Tree81Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-13-2015, 04:25 PM   #21 (permalink)
Member
 
EthanK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 52
Matching weight classes does NOT make anything fair. There is a significant gap in strength between males and females even compared pound for pound: WHSPA State Records - WHSPA here's a sample of highschool state records in my old stomping ground of Wisconsin(I'm using this because it's a pretty straightforward chart with male/female weight classes, apologies if it seems arbitrary), at no weight class do females have the same totals though they generally keep up with deadlift/squat, bench and is always notably lower in the same weight classes across gender. Regardless of whether she's taking hormones now, 30 years of natural male hormones surely had some impact on her body.

Overall I think she probably has an advantage, but for what it's worth she has only fought amateur fighters with poor records. Personally I have more of a problem with wrestlers that have no legs. Sure they don't have legs but if someone is 160 lbs without legs- and legs make up about 40% of your body weight that means he has the torso build of a 250+ pound man- not to mention whatever superhuman wheelchair strength they have from scooting around all day.
theycallmepyro likes this.

Last edited by EthanK; 04-13-2015 at 04:33 PM.
(Offline)   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2015, 04:54 PM   #22 (permalink)
Senior Member
2020 Marathon Kickstarter Backer2019 Marathon Kickstarter Backer24-hour Marathon 2018 Fundraiser Backer24-hour Marathon 2017 Fundraiser Backer47-hour Marathon 2016 Kickstarter Backer57-hour Marathon 2015 Kickstarter Backer38-hour Marathon 2014 Kickstarter Backer54-hour Marathon 2013 Kickstarter Backer
 
Lanfear's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Frankfurt am Main, Germany
Posts: 2,577
Quote:
Originally Posted by ghauck View Post

Let's say a male had a leg injury and received a robotic replacement that allowed him to consistently jump 10% further than anyone else in the Olympics. He of course would not be allowed to compete with regular body males and nobody would think this an attack or segregation based on anything other than fair competition. He is still 100% a male in mind and thought. Just not body.
There actually is a German guy who is missing one leg below the knee and tried to sue his way into competing in regular competitions for sprinting and long jump. They did some test and found he had an unfair advantage because of course he has.
theycallmepyro likes this.
(Offline)   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2015, 05:02 PM   #23 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
rodimusprime's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,213
I love Jackie The Jokeman. I hope he never stops calling. Like if he dies I hope they've already recorded bits that they can play in the middle of the show like an advertisement.
(Offline)   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2015, 05:07 PM   #24 (permalink)
Senior Member
2020 Marathon Kickstarter Backer2019 Marathon Kickstarter Backer24-hour Marathon 2018 Fundraiser Backer24-hour Marathon 2017 Fundraiser Backer47-hour Marathon 2016 Kickstarter Backer57-hour Marathon 2015 Kickstarter Backer38-hour Marathon 2014 Kickstarter Backer54-hour Marathon 2013 Kickstarter Backer
 
Lanfear's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Frankfurt am Main, Germany
Posts: 2,577
I don't know where Chemda still finds the energy to get emotionally involved in these pointless discussions after knowing Keith & how he works his points on the show for so long and I am not sure whether I should find it admirable or silly.

I pity the poor guests that get caught up in these shows.
(Offline)   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2015, 05:14 PM   #25 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Eric M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 448
I found it shocking that Lauren would've changed his opinion about this, I wish he was there to speak for himself.
(Offline)   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2015, 05:38 PM   #26 (permalink)
PARTY! SUPER PARTY!
 
Keith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: NYC, baby!
Posts: 12,685
The microwave fried his brain.
(Offline)   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2015, 05:45 PM   #27 (permalink)
Member
 
Lazarou's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apia View Post
I really don't enjoy the " joke man", the annoys me and I always try to fast forward. For me, it's really enought of him.

But the jokes are so fresh and new!!
CsisandDesist likes this.
(Offline)   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2015, 06:00 PM   #28 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by invader View Post
Are there inherent differences in strength between men and women?
Do those inherent differences make it unfair for men and women to compete against each other in strength based competition?
Does hormone therapy that a trans-person goes through erase this previously unfair advantage?

Three simple questions that would solve the debate.
I "like" how you assume a 'yes' to your first question for your second question, and your third question only means anything if there's a positive answer to your second question. So you're only asking ONE question, "Are men and women different?" And yes, they are! But can you see how that one question is too simple to solve this complex problem?

Women have a higher pain tolerance than men, they're more flexible, and they have a lower center of gravity. Those seem like some advantages in an MMA fight between two people of roughly equal size. counteracting bone density and skeletal muscles advantages.

How about these three questions to determine how you think about it?
1. "Do the strength related benefits of growing up male bodied provide a significant advantage over the toughness related benefits of growing up female bodied?"

2. "Does the situation make sense in reverse?" Would you force a trans man to only fight women once his transition to male was complete? Would you allow a trans man getting into the ring with male fighters?

3. "Are her advantages outside the range of normal genetic drift?" In other words, most men are taller than most women. But I'm a 5ft tall male, and most women are taller than I am.

I'm not considering some hypothetical superman who wanted to transition into a superwoman. I'm talking about this particular female fighter: Was her pre-transition self strong enough that no non-trans woman could possibly catch up?

I think, since Ashlee Evans-Smith won on a TKO (not a decision), that a woman has caught up.
marykae likes this.
(Offline)   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2015, 07:02 PM   #29 (permalink)
Senior Member
57-hour Marathon 2015 Kickstarter Backer
 
starscream's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 994
Quote:
Originally Posted by FredG View Post
I think, since Ashlee Evans-Smith won on a TKO (not a decision), that a woman has caught up.
Having an unfair advantage doesn't equal invulnerability. (Just like invulnerability doesn't equal an unfair advantage.) This whole thing is almost a moot point anyway. Fallon Fox isn't ranked, she's 39, and she will probably never fight for a title again.
(Offline)   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2015, 07:10 PM   #30 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Scumhook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Uranus
Posts: 19,805
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apia View Post
I really don't enjoy the " joke man", the annoys me and I always try to fast forward. For me, it's really enought of him.
How can you not laugh at two bananas talking to a turd????

Oh that's right, you're German...
(Offline)   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:21 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
Keith and The GirlAd Management plugin by RedTyger