Any metal heads here?

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by serial_x

For that you shall be tortured for eternity. Killswitch saved us from a very dismal time in metal when all bands were only Korn rip offs and nu metal retardation. Alive Or Just Breathing was a ground breaking album whether you like it or not.

I don't have a KsE tattoo on my wrist for nothing.

What? Dude, the ninties are the only period where metal suffered. It's been fantastic since '98. I don't know where you've been.

And groundbreaking? Really? They play guitar worse than albums 20 years their senior, not to mention the stuff at the time.

[serial_x]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

What? Dude, the ninties are the only period where metal suffered. It's been fantastic since '98. I don't know where you've been.

Yea, because the onslaught on Nu Metal was awesome music. Fred Durst much?

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

And groundbreaking? Really? They play guitar worse than albums 20 years their senior, not to mention the stuff at the time.

And Miley Cyrus has nothing on Corey Taylor. Different genre, different era. What point is there comparing apples to oranges?

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by serial_x

Yea, because the onslaught on Nu Metal was awesome music. Fred Durst much?

...Is your perception of metal purely what is played on TV?

Hypocrisy released two albums in '99 and 2000 that destroy KsE. Amon Amarth was released three albums between '98 and '01. Ensiferum's debut came out in '01. Windir had two albums between '98 and '01. Nargaroth's Black Metal Ist Krieg came out '01. Moonsorrow released two albums in '01. Immortal had two albums between '99 and '00. Destroyer 666's mammoth Phoenix Rising came out in '00.

These are all really big bands. And I can keep going. How is KSE any more groundbreaking than those albums?

Originally Posted by serial_x

And Miley Cyrus has nothing on Corey Taylor. Different genre, different era. What point is there comparing apples to oranges?

Oh, okay, it's fine to do something worse, just because it's different? Both eras and genres are metal, so don't say KSE did so much for metal if you don't want them compared to metal.

[serial_x]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

...Is your perception of metal purely what is played on TV?

Metal, on free to air TV? You've got to be kidding me.

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

Hypocrisy released two albums in '99 and 2000 that destroy KsE. Amon Amarth was released three albums between '98 and '01. Ensiferum's debut came out in '01. Windir had two albums between '98 and '01. Nargaroth's Black Metal Ist Krieg came out '01. Moonsorrow released two albums in '01. Immortal had two albums between '99 and '00. Destroyer 666's mammoth Phoenix Rising came out in '00.

I've already said in this thread that i don't like black metal and as for viking metal, no thanks.

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

These are all really big bands. And I can keep going. How is KSE any more groundbreaking than those albums?

Never heard them as that style of music doesn't interest me, just as KsE and metalcore doesn't interest you.

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

Oh, okay, it's fine to do something worse, just because it's different? Both eras and genres are metal, so don't say KSE did so much for metal if you don't want them compared to metal.

They took metal in a new direction just as The Used did for emo shit.

You spend a lot of time in these metal threads complaining about metalcore. Why? Why not post some YouTube vids of bands you've just mention instead of just bitching about the ones others post.

[Cretaceous Bob]

1) Again, stop talking about metal if the only thing that interests you is metalcore. I listed death, black, Viking, and folk metal releases that predated the KsE album you mentioned, but those aren't valid when talking about metal revivalists, apparently. I mention the thrash and traditional metal classics from the '80s, and those don't count when talking about metal revivalists? What DOES count? I get that you don't like those subgenres, but here's the thing: we're talking about the genre of metal. Not the genre of interesting to you.

What you mean to say is that KsE made metalcore popular. That is all. They didn't do anything for metal.

2) I think what highlights how disinterested you are in actually listening to any metal beyond metalcore is you telling me to post youtube videos of the bands I mention. I DID. AT PAGE 3. WAY MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE HAS.

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

But if we're posting vids, consider this a brief blast:

Angantyr - Tag Dig I Agt
Nargaroth - Und Ich Sah Sonn' Nimmer Heben
Amon Amarth - The Pursuit of Vikings
Wintersun - Sadness and Hate
Satantic Warmaster - Vampiric Tyrant
Behexen - Fist of the Satanist
Holy Blood - The Spring
Equilibrium - Blut im Auge
Hypocrisy - Fearless
Ensiferum - Iron
Sotajumala - Kuolinjulistus
Moonsorrow - Haaska
Arsis - The Face of My Innocence
Behemoth - Decade of Therion
Turisas - To Holmgard and Beyond
Bloodbath - Eaten
Death - Crystal Mountain
Deströyer 666 - The Eternal Glory of War
Devildriver - Head On to Heartache
Eluveitie - Inis Mona
Mercyful Fate - The Oath
Týr - Regin Smiður
Falkenbach - As Long as Winds Will Blow
Finntroll - Nedgång
Horna - Musta Temppeli
King Diamond - Sleepless Nights
Korpiklaani - Happy Little Boozer
Mercenary - Redefine Me
Searing Meadow - Mirror of Irony
Morbid Angel - Where the Slime Live
Rivendell - Rivendell
Sacramentum - Cries from a Restless Soul
Thyrfing - Ångestens Högborg
Torchbearer - Burial Waters, Deepsome Graves
Tuatha de Danann - Brazuzan
Wolves in the Throne Room - The Cleansing
Tvangeste - Raven
Twilight Ophera - Pseudogods
Windir - Fagning

...What did you think I was doing there?

[serial_x]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

1) Again, stop talking about metal if the only thing that interests you is metalcore. I listed death, black, Viking, and folk metal releases that predated the KsE album you mentioned, but those aren't valid when talking about metal revivalists, apparently. I mention the thrash and traditional metal classics from the '80s, and those don't count when talking about metal revivalists? What DOES count? I get that you don't like those subgenres, but here's the thing: we're talking about the genre of metal. Not the genre of interesting to you.

Have you seen any on the videos i've posted? I own over 500 cds, maybe 20 of them are metalcore... so metalcore is hardly the only thing that interests me. You are in a thread about metal so regardless what you think, at the end of the day, all the bands you like and all the bands i like get filed in one big folder labeled "Metal".

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

What you mean to say is that KsE made metalcore popular. That is all. They didn't do anything for metal.

Ok, sure they didn't. And Amon Amarth have rewrote history books. You won't change my opinion on KsE.

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

2) I think what highlights how disinterested you are in actually listening to any metal beyond metalcore is you telling me to post youtube videos of the bands I mention. I DID. AT PAGE 3. WAY MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE HAS.

Are you fucking kidding me? I don't think i've posted one metalcore video. I know i've posted The Black Dahlia Murder, As Blood Runs Black, Carnifex, Meshuggah plus various others but i guess you just glaced over them in order to try and make a point.

Again i ask you, can't you just enjoy this thread without bitching about metalcore? You did the same over 3 or 4 pages on the other thread.

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by serial_x

Have you seen any on the videos i've posted? I own over 500 cds, maybe 20 of them are metalcore... so metalcore is hardly the only thing that interests me. You are in a thread about metal so regardless what you think, at the end of the day, all the bands you like and all the bands i like get filed in one big folder labeled "Metal".

Ok, sure they didn't. And Amon Amarth have rewrote history books. You won't change my opinion on KsE.

Are you fucking kidding me? I don't think i've posted one metalcore video. I know i've posted The Black Dahlia Murder, As Blood Runs Black, Carnifex, Meshuggah plus various others but i guess you just glaced over them in order to try and make a point.

Again i ask you, can't you just enjoy this thread without bitching about metalcore? You did the same over 3 or 4 pages on the other thread.

Carnifex is deathcore, Black Dahlia Murder is metalcore, As Blood Runs Black is deathcore, and Meshuggah has bits of grindcore. Why are you making a case for metalcore when you don't even know what it is? Granted, saying you like metalcore exclusively is an overstatement, but you can't possibly claim you aren't limited in scope.

And why is it you care about KSE saving metal and I should respect them because of it, but as soon as that's not true it doesn't matter?

By the way, that little bit about "at the end of the day it's all metal"? That was the EXACT SAME argument nu-metal faggots made to me.

[serial_x]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

Carnifex is deathcore, Black Dahlia Murder is metalcore, As Blood Runs Black is deathcore, and Meshuggah has bits of grindcore. Why are you making a case for metalcore when you don't even know what it is? Granted, saying you like metalcore exclusively is an overstatement, but you can't possibly claim you aren't limited in scope.

Jesus dude, get over it. I know exactly what metalcore is, bands like KsE, 36 Crazyfists, Shadows Fall, Atreyu, Still Remains, Bullet For My Valentine, All That Remains, From Autumn To Ashes, Poison The Well... just to name a few of the bands i like. Your points just keep going around in circles. And The Black Dahlia Murder are in no way metalcore... there's not one melodic vocal in ANY of their songs... that shows me that it's you that has no idea what metalcore is. You shouldn't take everything you copy and paste off Wikipedia as gospel. As for being limited, why post an ass load of videos for Pantera, White Zombie, Metallica, Drowning Pool, Pist.On, Cannibal Corpse and other older bands that people have seen a million times. I thought this thread was to discover NEW music. Again, it just seems a convient way for you to try and make a point.

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

And why is it you care about KSE saving metal and I should respect them because of it, but as soon as that's not true it doesn't matter?

Did i ever say that's not true? No. Am i going bitch over 4 pages just to try and convince you it is? No. At the end of the day, am i going to lose sleep knowing that you don't like KsE? Not one minute.

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

By the way, that little bit about "at the end of the day it's all metal"? That was the EXACT SAME argument nu-metal faggots made to me.

Wow, why doesn't it surprise me you got on your soap box about that too. If you don't like the posts in this thread, don't look at the thread. Go start a thread for what you consider to be purely metal that ISN'T influenced by any other form of music. Good luck with that.

And my final word in this debate.

[brianward81]

You guys are giving metal listeners a bad name - I've not see a bitch fight like this in a long time.

Face it - neither of you is going to convince each other so just drop it.

[serial_x]

Originally Posted by brianward81

You guys are giving metal listeners a bad name - I've not see a bitch fight like this in a long time.

Face it - neither of you is going to convince each other so just drop it.

I completely agree with you.

As far as i'm concerned, it's "Metal Purists" that are to blame for the mass amount of different sub genres. I just want to listen to good music.