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[ChitownMacTech]

Originally Posted by paul_r

think that was civil offence, debtors prison, kind of thing, not a criminal offence.

Wikipedia article on Check Kiting:

"Check kiting is illegal in the United States. The banking industry is heavily regulated and even insured by the U.S. government. According to the United States Department of Justice, check kiting can be prosecuted under several existing laws including those against bank fraud (18 U.S.C. § 1344), misapplication (18 U.S.C. § 656), or required entries (18 U.S.C. § 1005). It can draw a fine of up to $1,000,000.00, imprisonment for up to 30 years, or both. In addition to the federal remedies, state law often provides for alternate civil and criminal consequences.

Although the United States prosecutes[5] some paper hangers under federal law,[6] most uttering of a bad check in the United States is prosecuted as a state offense."

There is no such thing as debtors prison anymore. You can be imprisoned for fraud, but that's a criminal offense:

"In 1833 the United States eliminated the practice of imprisonment for debts at the federal level. Most states followed suit. It is still possible, however, to be incarcerated for debt; debts of fraud, child-support, alimony, or release fines can land a citizen in jail or prison, or prevent one’s release."

[strafer_praha]

Originally Posted by Rye

thats not intirely true Ive had a record since I was 15 and not for nice tings either and I get across all the time. Its all about bein flagged for lyin or shit like that

I'm not sure how it works with felonies or how the system got updated but used to be that when you got flagged for doing stupid in the airport, pissed off the border control guy or some other minor stupid shit in another country that didn't require embassy intervention you could just "lose" your passport, get another one which would have a new passport number and you'd be fine. Perhaps its a different world now. Maybe they could hide keeth in the trunk

[strafer_praha]

Check kiting across state lines is a felony. Had a friend find that out the hard way Never bounce a check in alabama or georgia, they take that shit seriously.

Originally Posted by ChitownMacTech

Wikipedia article on Check Kiting:

"Check kiting is illegal in the United States. The banking industry is heavily regulated and even insured by the U.S. government. According to the United States Department of Justice, check kiting can be prosecuted under several existing laws including those against bank fraud (18 U.S.C. § 1344), misapplication (18 U.S.C. § 656), or required entries (18 U.S.C. § 1005). It can draw a fine of up to $1,000,000.00, imprisonment for up to 30 years, or both. In addition to the federal remedies, state law often provides for alternate civil and criminal consequences.

Although the United States prosecutes[5] some paper hangers under federal law,[6] most uttering of a bad check in the United States is prosecuted as a state offense."

There is no such thing as debtors prison anymore. You can be imprisoned for fraud, but that's a criminal offense:

"In 1833 the United States eliminated the practice of imprisonment for debts at the federal level. Most states followed suit. It is still possible, however, to be incarcerated for debt; debts of fraud, child-support, alimony, or release fines can land a citizen in jail or prison, or prevent one’s release."

[picard102]

Originally Posted by ChitownMacTech

I don't think Keet with his conviction and jail time for check fraud is going to be able to get into Canada. Not sure if Chemda has an arrest record, but if she does, and it's anything more than a parking ticket, forget about it.

I'll ask my Dad, a Canada Customs and Border Services Agent, about check fruad and being denied entry.

[paul_r]

"Bad checks, also known as NSF checks, bounced checks, rubber checks, insufficient checks, bogus checks, etc., can be a big problem for an individual or for any size company. There are both civil and criminal penalties for this unlawful act, although it is much more costly and difficult to prove a criminal case. Always consider your goal: to recover the money or punish the check writer?"
http://www.ckfraud.org/penalties.html#civil

Civil Penalties by State.
Pennsylvania. Upon written demand from payee following conviction for passing a bad check and failure to make restitution, the payee upon obtaining civil judgment is entitled to an amount equal to $100 or treble the amount for which the check is drawn, whichever is greater, not to exceed by more than $500 the value of the check.

Criminal Penalties by State.
Pennsylvania. Up to $1,000 fine or up to 2 years in penitentiary, or both.

[advocatus]

This information may have already been posted here, but I'm getting tired of hearing Chemda tell everyone to get a passport, when it is not required at this time for land travel to Canada.

Here is the consular informaition sheet from the U.S. State Department http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1082.html

A passport is recommended, but due to the long wait times right now for a passport see the processing times at http://travel.state.gov/passport/get...sing_1740.html you can enter Canada with your drivers license (or other valid photo ID) and a copy of your U.S. birth certificate. It is taking 10 to 12 weeks to get a passport right now unless you pay for faster service.

The congressional office I work at fields calls on this issue almost every day now as people get ready for summer travel so we have these documents ready to send out.

[jesikat]

Originally Posted by advocatus

This information may have already been posted here, but I'm getting tired of hearing Chemda tell everyone to get a passport, when it is not required at this time for land travel to Canada.

Here is the consular informaition sheet from the U.S. State Department http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1082.html

A passport is recommended, but due to the long wait times right now for a passport see the processing times at http://travel.state.gov/passport/get...sing_1740.html you can enter Canada with your drivers license (or other valid photo ID) and a copy of your U.S. birth certificate. It is taking 10 to 12 weeks to get a passport right now unless you pay for faster service.

The congressional office I work at fields calls on this issue almost every day now as people get ready for summer travel so we have these documents ready to send out.

Thanks, i was wondering about that myself. Living in MI near the border, i was almost positive that getting across only required a license and birth certificate at most. I'm sure there'll be a bigger hullabaloo about it when passports become required for crossing.

[Saint Marcos]

Originally Posted by advocatus

This information may have already been posted here, but I'm getting tired of hearing Chemda tell everyone to get a passport, when it is not required at this time for land travel to Canada.

Here is the consular informaition sheet from the U.S. State Department http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1082.html

A passport is recommended, but due to the long wait times right now for a passport see the processing times at http://travel.state.gov/passport/get...sing_1740.html you can enter Canada with your drivers license (or other valid photo ID) and a copy of your U.S. birth certificate. It is taking 10 to 12 weeks to get a passport right now unless you pay for faster service.

The congressional office I work at fields calls on this issue almost every day now as people get ready for summer travel so we have these documents ready to send out.

Correct, you Don't HAVE to have a passport for land crossings into Canada (if you fly you do need a passport).

HOWEVER, a passport will help you through the lines faster. I live in Detroit-Metro area and speak from experience regarding the border crossings.

[thomaus]

Originally Posted by Saint Marcos

Correct, you Don't HAVE to have a passport for land crossings into Canada (if you fly you do need a passport).

HOWEVER, a passport will help you through the lines faster. I live in Detroit-Metro area and speak from experience regarding the border crossings.

If you are driving across the border, there aren't any lines you walk through. Just lines of cars. Think traffic jam.

If you seem like a fine upstanding citizen (of Canada or the U.S.) you probably won't need to show any documents. If you seem suspicious at all; look like a drug smuggler/terrorist/pedofile; or are riding in a rowdy bus full of drunkards, a passport might keep you from getting strip-searched. The border guards can tell who the people are who live near the border, and those people generally will not get hassled.

And, the passport requirement is really to get back into the States. So, even if you make it through to Canada, it doesn't mean you're getting back in without a hassle.

Get a passport, even if you aren't using it on this trip. Big Brother is watching, and would prefer that you get one.