Originally Posted by spooky (Post 641973)

I'm republican, the media tells me that I am racist, so I can't discuss this story because of bias.

Originally Posted by spooky (Post 641973)

I'm republican, the media tells me that I am racist, so I can't discuss this story because of bias.

Originally Posted by da_ticklah (Post 641986)

no the media tells you that if you are a tea party member you are racist, I don't agree with that. I think if you sat by and watched G W spend like a democrat only to gave me $600 in SS rebates that shoulda been left in an increasingly defunct system and are now up in arms about spending you are racist.

I realize the scale is different Bush vs Obama but aside from HCR and scale of the stimulus bill I argue McCain would've taken many of the same core steps re: banks and big 3 auto

Originally Posted by banger316 (Post 642152)

Well said it never ceases to amaze me how all these people sat by why 2wars and medicare part b was passed to the tune of trillions of dollars but the second obama took over all the sudden they want to go out there and do something about. Just goes to show the cognitive dissonance of some of fellow citizens as though if they elected mccain/palin the debt would be less gimme a break.

Originally Posted by spooky (Post 641973)

I'm republican, the media tells me that I am racist, so I can't discuss this story because of bias.

Originally Posted by spooky (Post 642161)

I find it disturbing that you believe several things you imply here. First, that you do not believe it is possible for anyone to learn from the past, you are addressing the right here with that kind of absolute, but it would extend to you as well. Second, that you are static in your belief that the only direction you can send the national debt is up. Third, that you believe you understand what cognitive dissonance means.

Does your brain melt when you hear about atheist/proChoice/gay rights Republicans who chose Obama over McCain?

You should pat yourself on the back, you have the world all figured out.

Originally Posted by banger316 (Post 642262)

Well spooky i have history on my side, and you know what history saids that every president since Reagan whether a republican majority or democrat the debt has went up every cycle so no they don't learn if they did the debt would not keep going up see how simple that was to explain. Also i notice you did not speak to the heart of my post which is why all the sudden is the debt an issue now more than before do you believe that 1.8 trillion is bad but the 1.5 trillion under bush was okay that is all i asked i suspect these people are simply angry mccain voters whose side lost and now they have to figure out something to do with their free time so they formed the tea party which is fine after all they only make republicans and conservatives look as stupid as those dumb hippie protesters when bush and the republicans were in office two sides of the same stupid coin fuck em both.

Originally Posted by Junkenstein (Post 642330)

If anyone is interested on getting a feel on how tangled up the pro-life/pro-choice war is, take a look at the documentary "Lake Of Fire", directed by Tony Kaye /American History X).

I would dare to say that it's the only unbiased documentary i've seen in my life. Both side's point of views are presented in depth (it's up to you to decide if you care about that or not) and quite graphically.

The consequences are shown too. When one of the most infamous pro-life murderers is condemned to death penalty, his martyrization drives the movement to react with even harsher actions and more doctors die.

Tough stuff, but very sobering.

Originally Posted by spooky (Post 397573)

"Lake of Fire" has to be one of the best, and as close to unbiased as possible documentaries on abortion in america that has ever been made. Tony Kaye, the guy that made the movie "American History X" made this, if that piques your curiosity...
http://images.rottentomatoes.com/ima...92/1567292.jpg

personally, i am pro choice. i spent some years down in pensacola, ive taken a girl to an abortion clinic there, hung out in the lobby while it was performed, and dealt with the police escort out the secret back door, and faced down mobs of religious protesters. pensacola, if you are unaware, is where the religious zealot shot and killed an abortion doctor, and his wife, back in the early 90s. they wear bullet proof vests to work now.

also shown is some very good arguments against abortion. they show an abortion, how they remove it, rinse it off to make sure all the pieces are there. thats why you have to wait so long before you can have one, so they can assemble the carcass to make sure nothing is left behind. they show a freezer stocked with babies, both whole and in pieces. they talk about the $300 a head they get paid for them.

they interview people on both sides, and both sides have their share of nut jobs.

you learn some interesting things about the days before abortion, for instance, the whole coat hanger thing wasnt to actually give you an abortion, it was just to scratch your uterus, and then a hospital could legally give you one, as it put your life in danger. then they show women in hotel rooms that botched the job, and bled out, to death, naked on the floor.

they interview the lady who was represented in roe vs. wade. she talks about how guilty she now feels, because essentially, she is responsible for, if you take a pro life point of view, a holocaust of millions of dead. imagine trying to cope with that, day to day... the human aspect of her story is enormous, and if you have any empathy for your fellow man, you cant help but be moved by her situation.

it doesnt matter what side you fall on, this will make you question everything you know or believe in. no matter what, the world is a dirty, fucked up place.

i streamed it from the netflix on demand website, but im sure you can find it somewhere else, if you cant rent it, or whatever....