I now pronounce you wife and wife.

[Mainiac]

Originally Posted by DEPjrTX

that's just fucking stupid

No...not really.

Check out:
http://www.perrspectives.com/features/Taliban.htm

I'm not talking about terrorist tactics, but rather groups using power to force their ideological beliefs on others.

[benjita]

Originally Posted by Mainiac

It’s disturbing to me how ideologically similar the right wing in this country is to the Taliban. From the point of view that they want to deny rights and make behaviors illegal to conform to their religious views.

Scary.

Who cares if two males/males or females/females want a legal mariage? Why are people threatened by that.

Okay, your first point isn't really valid. They aren't making homosexuality illegal, nor are they denying any rights that are currently available.

Right now, same-sex marriage is illegal. The reason they may never become "legal" is in the word "Marriage". Religious leaders feel threatened because of the term "Marriage". Their belief is that marriage throughout history has been between a man and woman, and feel that the "Sanctity" of "Marriage" as a historical and legal term would be violated by use of the word to describe a union between two people of the same sex.

The biggest problem I see is that homosexuals want to use the term "Marriage", because they want to be equal. The Religious Right believe the term "Marriage" to be sacred, and do not want to give up the word.

It's a vicious circle. The Religious Right have postured very well to ban civil unions in a vast majority of states by using "Marriage" as fuel to fire off enough votes to ban all "Civil Unions" (Note the more all-encompassing term to prevent ANY Gay union possibly infringing on a Man/Woman world).

The worst part is that while today's society is more diverse and more open (Fine, be a fag, I don't care), we're also a LOT more conservative than we were 20 years ago (but you can't take "Marriage" from us).

Think of it. If we let gays be "Married", then they've infringed on the "Sanctity" of the word. If we let them have "Civil Unions", then they'll want everybody to be considered "Civil Unions". My wife and I would be "Civilly United", not "Married". Sure, techinically it's all the same, but tell that to the Religious Right or the Liberal Left. I'm neutral. I wouldn't care either way. It's just a word, but some people take words seriously.

Oh and by the way.... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU!

[cogy]

opponents arent upset over semantics or history. thats a bs red herring intended to put discrimination in nice pc packaging.

yes, it has something to do with religion. yet no one is trying to force their churches to do the religious ceremony. instead, a lot of the anti-gay crowd is eager to put their religion into the government.

it comes down to a group of people asking for the same legal protections everyone else gets. if the right cant stand the word marriage for that, let them call it whatever they want. civil unions dont provide the same protection nor do they stand up well in court - theyre inadequate consolation prizes. you can call one "marriage" and the other "queer marriage," but its an issue of intolerance that isnt so easily remedied by words.

[DEPjrTX]

Originally Posted by benjita

Okay, your first point isn't really valid. They aren't making homosexuality illegal, nor are they denying any rights that are currently available.

Right now, same-sex marriage is illegal. The reason they may never become "legal" is in the word "Marriage". Religious leaders feel threatened because of the term "Marriage". Their belief is that marriage throughout history has been between a man and woman, and feel that the "Sanctity" of "Marriage" as a historical and legal term would be violated by use of the word to describe a union between two people of the same sex.

The biggest problem I see is that homosexuals want to use the term "Marriage", because they want to be equal. The Religious Right believe the term "Marriage" to be sacred, and do not want to give up the word.

It's a vicious circle. The Religious Right have postured very well to ban civil unions in a vast majority of states by using "Marriage" as fuel to fire off enough votes to ban all "Civil Unions" (Note the more all-encompassing term to prevent ANY Gay union possibly infringing on a Man/Woman world).

The worst part is that while today's society is more diverse and more open (Fine, be a fag, I don't care), we're also a LOT more conservative than we were 20 years ago (but you can't take "Marriage" from us).

Think of it. If we let gays be "Married", then they've infringed on the "Sanctity" of the word. If we let them have "Civil Unions", then they'll want everybody to be considered "Civil Unions". My wife and I would be "Civilly United", not "Married". Sure, techinically it's all the same, but tell that to the Religious Right or the Liberal Left. I'm neutral. I wouldn't care either way. It's just a word, but some people take words seriously.

Oh and by the way.... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU!

+1 excellent summary.

[benjita]

Originally Posted by cogy

opponents arent upset over semantics or history. thats a bs red herring intended to put discrimination in nice pc packaging.

See the thing is, they think they're arguing semantics or history. Sure, it's really discrimination in a nice PC Package, but if you look at historical civil rights movements, they all have the same arguments. People's prejudices are based on historical trends. Discrimination sometimes happens unconsciously.

[cubbybear]

Name one culture( not a country) primitive or civilized in which MARRIAGE is not between a male and a female. If you find one please provide a link.

[Nick Postagulous]

Originally Posted by cubbybear

Name one culture( not a country) primitive or civilized in which MARRIAGE is not between a male and a female. If you find one please provide a link.

Stupid bitch in India married a snake recently. Like 2000 people showed up for the wedding.

My main thing about homoness, is that a guy doing the anal sex on another guy. Eh, it grosses me out. I also don't like how flamey and faggoty most of them act. My one aquantance who is openly gay, he's a art show queen.

Like young black toughs, they embrace their stereotype.

As for legal documents, yadda yadda. Whatever. As if any of it matters anyway.

However, I do like homosexuality because of all the fun jokes you can make about it. Plus, uptight senators think things like "I'm scared of the homos since they want to put it in my butt" while they are voting on such things.

[ooda]

Originally Posted by Nick Postagulous

Stupid bitch in India married a snake recently. Like 2000 people showed up for the wedding.

My main thing about homoness, is that a guy doing the anal sex on another guy. Eh, it grosses me out. I also don't like how flamey and faggoty most of them act. My one aquantance who is openly gay, he's a art show queen.

Like young black toughs, they embrace their stereotype.

As for legal documents, yadda yadda. Whatever. As if any of it matters anyway.

However, I do like homosexuality because of all the fun jokes you can make about it. Plus, uptight senators think things like "I'm scared of the homos since they want to put it in my butt" while they are voting on such things.

The weird thing is that I find lesbians to be more weird than gays. I mean, lesbians I can jerk off to, but other than that, it seems a bit forced to me, like they're different just for the spectacle of the whole thing.

And it's a common misconception that gay couples frequently engage in anal sex. From what I heard, mutual masturbation is the more in thing.

[lickmyballssuckmy]

They saw the eel video and they wanted to see how she was going to spend her wedding night with her new husband. Buncha weirdos..

Originally Posted by Nick Postagulous

Stupid bitch in India married a snake recently. Like 2000 people showed up for the wedding.

My main thing about homoness, is that a guy doing the anal sex on another guy. Eh, it grosses me out. I also don't like how flamey and faggoty most of them act. My one aquantance who is openly gay, he's a art show queen.

Like young black toughs, they embrace their stereotype.

As for legal documents, yadda yadda. Whatever. As if any of it matters anyway.

However, I do like homosexuality because of all the fun jokes you can make about it. Plus, uptight senators think things like "I'm scared of the homos since they want to put it in my butt" while they are voting on such things.

[ooda]

Originally Posted by lickmyballssuckmy

They saw the eel video and they wanted to see how she was going to spend her wedding night with her new husband. Buncha weirdos..

I've never been fond of the Asian, mainly Japanese, love of all things weird, in the arena of sexuality. I guess you can kind of see why it happens because everyone is made to be so generic in the public sphere, but I still find it weird.

Though I do have to admit that some of the whites with a bit of Asian in them can look pretty damn good.