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Old 09-15-2013, 06:12 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Speaking of uncomfortable trooves, have you ever read Guns, Germs and Steel Scummo? Food for thought if you're hungry.

But here's the TL;DR for if you ain't got the appetite for it: it wasn't a case of genetics which lead to us crackers inventing bottle-openers, wetsuits and HD porn.
haven't read it, but it's now on my list...
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:25 PM   #32 (permalink)
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/and/ mountain people. great. i'm well acquainted with the inbred families in the county i grew up in. i've had meals in their homes. i went to school with their children. know what i didn't do? treat them like they were less human than me.

wanna know what i know about Africa? dear friend and mentor of mine did 6 months of immersive research in Uganda and Rwanda in 2011 as a United States Artist Lowe Fellowship recipient; they essentially gave him $50K to do whatever he wanted and he chose them. he got back about the same time as me (i was doing a residency in CA at the time) and we met up in Tennessee to spend some time with a dying friend. over her death bed for the next few hours and later, pretty regularly throughout the last couple years, i listened to their stories. i learned their names. make all the horseshit assumptions you want about those people, but i won't stand here and be accused of ignorance or blindness. i also won't sit idly by and let insane levels of bigotry slide in this community. it's unseemly and you aren't being funny.

there are places in Africa that are regular ole places. there are places where people are desperately trying to maintain their humanity and rebuild their entire worlds--you will rarely find such triumphs of the soul and community stateside. it's wide. open /your/ eyes.
I'm glad I posted my shit, because it prompted you to post that. Beautifully written, little birdie...

I think I drew on the white hill people as contrast to my earlier remarks, to show that it's not skin colour as much as socio-econ which cause issues. Having thought further about it, I found myself going down a rabbit hole of parallels between Ozark communities and African tribes - neither of which I know a great deal about, so I'll STFU.

I certainly didn't mean to imply that the hill communities didn't contain loving, loyal people.
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:35 PM   #33 (permalink)
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If you actually want to know what a place is like, go visit.
Nah, I'll just stick to making wild and baseless assumptions


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I've lived in South Africa all my life, same with my family. I've been robbed once or twice, no biggie. I'm sure a lot of people in other countries have.
Fair enough.

Other than the news (which generally paints a rather bleak picture), the only info I have on SA comes from the ex-pats, who tell tales of being carjacked at gunpoint, and having to live inside gated compounds for safety.

Many of them have said how sharply things went downhill when Apartheid ended.


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The only time my brother has ever been a victim of crime is when he traveled to Australia.
I feel a certain sense of pride at this...
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:38 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Well there is genuinely edgy funny, trying to be funny by being offensive and misstepping and then there is plain old unfunny dumbasses
Sieg heil, mein fuhrer.

I'm pretty sure there's an EU rule prohibiting Krauts from calling anyone an arsehole when race is being discussed.

Go fuck yourself.
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Old 09-15-2013, 07:21 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Nah, I'll just stick to making wild and baseless assumptions

As is your right. Cunt.



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Fair enough.

Other than the news (which generally paints a rather bleak picture), the only info I have on SA comes from the ex-pats, who tell tales of being carjacked at gunpoint, and having to live inside gated compounds for safety.

Many of them have said how sharply things went downhill when Apartheid ended.
Went downhill? Sure. We have a corrupt government who is more interested in lining their own pockets than educating and uplifting their own people.

Is it worse now than before Apartheid was abolished? For white people, yes. They now no longer rule the roost and have a figurative slave race to lick their boots on command.

For people of colour? No. They now can own businesses, have access to clean water, electricity, can seek jobs in any industry and of any rank, aren't restricted access to certain places (except for being the waiter/maid/garden boy etc), can date people of other races.

It's subjective. It was always going to be that way. It's been less than 20 years since the new government took over, I have faith things will get better.

Oh and by the way: White people still have it very very good here. They still have the highest paid jobs, the best positions in companies, are more likely to have access to higher education, the best houses, etc. Yes, there are more instances of violence, but on a far higher scale it's black on black, but those instances don't make the media that often.


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I feel a certain sense of pride at this...
Considering who your ancestors were, I have no doubt
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Grrrrrr
This kind of talk just infuriates me. Scum, how dare you....I know, you live in a fat, healthy rich first world so you feel entitled to judge the rest. I know you're smart enough to realize that Africa is a continent with diverse cultures, religions, economies and environmental challenges, even though you did compare it to a small rural population in America? Africa is a continent with some of our globes harshest climates, largest populations and poorest economies. In this kind of reality how would your fat ass cope? A culture ravaged by A.I.D.S, entire generations of children growing up orphaned by the disease and you mock them for inventing it? Reflect on that my dear. Lucky for you and your family you live in a free, democratic society that assures you the right to the basics, clean water, plentiful food supply and utilities with the luxury of rights and freedoms few have in the third world.

Every third world country or developing nation struggles with violence, oppression and dictatorships. The greedy feed on the weak and defenceless. This has happened throughout history in all cultures, religions and skin colour.
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Old 09-15-2013, 07:40 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Went downhill? Sure. We have a corrupt government who is more interested in lining their own pockets than educating and uplifting their own people.

Is it worse now than before Apartheid was abolished? For white people, yes. They now no longer rule the roost and have a figurative slave race to lick their boots on command.

For people of colour? No. They now can own businesses, have access to clean water, electricity, can seek jobs in any industry and of any rank, aren't restricted access to certain places (except for being the waiter/maid/garden boy etc), can date people of other races.

It's subjective. It was always going to be that way. It's been less than 20 years since the new government took over, I have faith things will get better.

Oh and by the way: White people still have it very very good here. They still have the highest paid jobs, the best positions in companies, are more likely to have access to higher education, the best houses, etc. Yes, there are more instances of violence, but on a far higher scale it's black on black, but those instances don't make the media that often.
Thx for that perspective. Jokes about spears & loincloths aside, a local's take on the situation was what I was interested in.



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This kind of talk just infuriates me. Scum, how dare you....I know, you live in a fat, healthy rich first world so you feel entitled to judge the rest. I know you're smart enough to realize that Africa is a continent with diverse cultures, religions, economies and environmental challenges, even though you did compare it to a small rural population in America? Africa is a continent with some of our globes harshest climates, largest populations and poorest economies. In this kind of reality how would your fat ass cope? A culture ravaged by A.I.D.S, entire generations of children growing up orphaned by the disease and you mock them for inventing it? Reflect on that my dear. Lucky for you and your family you live in a free, democratic society that assures you the right to the basics, clean water, plentiful food supply and utilities with the luxury of rights and freedoms few have in the third world.

Every third world country or developing nation struggles with violence, oppression and dictatorships. The greedy feed on the weak and defenceless. This has happened throughout history in all cultures, religions and skin colour.
lol, someone's a cranky Kanuk

I can't match either you or sparrow in matters of wit or eloquence; let alone both of you at once!!

My point was that the natives in Oz had 40K years, and didn't do shit with the place. Same with the natives in Africa. The argument about 3rd world vs 1st world is specious, because when whitey moves in that's when you get your lovely democratic society with clean water etc etc.

I don't see this as being racist, it's just a statement of fact. Not saying that white is better than black - it's more a reflection on European civilisation being the best one in the world, followed (I guess) by Asians.
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This thread is a little tl;dr but the slaves reference also appears in Leviticus.

"As for your male and female slaves whom you may have-- you may acquire male and female slaves from the pagan nations that are around you."

Leviticus 25:44 "'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
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I'm glad I posted my shit, because it prompted you to post that. Beautifully written, little birdie...

I think I drew on the white hill people as contrast to my earlier remarks, to show that it's not skin colour as much as socio-econ which cause issues. Having thought further about it, I found myself going down a rabbit hole of parallels between Ozark communities and African tribes - neither of which I know a great deal about, so I'll STFU.

I certainly didn't mean to imply that the hill communities didn't contain loving, loyal people.
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in any event, i won't waltz around here like the Southern stereotypes aren't dead fucking on. put Duck Dynasty on anything and these redneck motherfucks /will/ buy it. and football. we are in the middle of the SEC college season. middle class bitches, LOVE UGA. G's on EVERYTHING!!!!!


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Thx for that perspective. Jokes about spears & loincloths aside, a local's take on the situation was what I was interested in.





lol, someone's a cranky Kanuk

because when whitey moves in that's when you get your lovely democratic society with clean water etc etc.

I don't see this as being racist, it's just a statement of fact. Not saying that white is better than black - it's more a reflection on European civilisation being the best one in the world, followed (I guess) by Asians.


We all know the best is Canada and it is the best because of the diversity of our population....except in Quebec where the politicians in power are a crew of racist asshats who are using religious neutrality in government as a way to exclude certain races from our French society....check out the idiocy Hundreds protest Quebec values charter while Jewish group criticizes organizers? ?dubious objectives? | National Post

It is this daily bullshit for the last month in this province that has me cranky.

Btw, atheism forced down your throat is just as obnoxious but thats a whollle other story....
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