Steve Jobs is dead

[Huggie]

Steve Jobs was one of the few, if not only, CEOs who sincerely cared about product quality and the user experience. Managing Apple Inc. meant much much more to him than maximizing the bottom line. Steve Jobs was a pioneer in promoting a corporate ethos that guided the company's decisions. He paved the way for companies like Google and Facebook whose founders have remained as CEOs and maintained the integrity of their brands.

[fluxquanta]

Originally Posted by Huggie

Steve Jobs was one of the few, if not only, CEOs who sincerely cared about product quality and the user experience. Managing Apple Inc. meant much much more to him than maximizing the bottom line.

How are these two sentences different? Honest question.

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by DJ Trashy

Multitouch isn't a tech advance? Dropping 98% of the hard buttons? Dude, don't act like I never used cell phones before the iPhone came out. I know tech advances when I see 'em! iTunes, App Store, etc. All were major advances over existing tech.

Apple did not invent multitouch as far as I'm aware, and neither am I aware of Steve Jobs having been involved in development of the technology. Again, he knew how to make products, not technology. Making the public familiar with technology through a product is not synonymous with making that technological advance in the first place. That post appears to be pirouetting around the meaning of the word "advance". Very solid.

And then trying to invoke software as a "technological advance" is laughable. Even if I loved Apple's OSes and software, I wouldn't consider that technological advance. They're consumer software for consumers. That's it.

I think you should give him credit for making people want to buy technology, and making a product that incorporated technology in an appealing way, but not anything more.

Originally Posted by picard102

Probably because it was the only company with enough skill and marketing to actually shift market trends repeatedly in the last 15 years.

Considering I've pretty much already stated Apple's success as a business and their keen sense of marketability, informing me of it again shouldn't appear to you as an answer to my question.

I don't develop personal fondness for a company or their CEO for making products available for me to buy. My appreciation for businessmen ends with contributing to the monetary success of a product.

When did we start loving business and businessmen? People love Disney, but they don't love Wal-Mart. I would have thought that meant people would like Steve Jobs because he was involved with Pixar rather than because he liberated them from the tyranny of hard buttons, but that's not the case.

[FletchLives]

You know, Pet Rocks sold like a motherfucker in their day. I wouldn't call the inventor a genius, or grant him a large amount of intelligence.
Stupidity of consumers is the moving force here. Jobs was only smart in a sense that he knew how stupid people are. Takes one to know one, I suppose.

[zappbrannigan]

Originally Posted by FletchLives

You know, Pet Rocks sold like a motherfucker in their day. I wouldn't call the inventor a genius, or grant him a large amount of intelligence.
Stupidity of consumers is the moving force here. Jobs was only smart in a sense that he knew how stupid people are. Takes one to know one, I suppose.

So you're comparing Pet Rocks to computers? What a brilliant point you have! Boy, maybe you'll invent the next Pet Rock some day with all those brains you have!

EDIT: To Fletch: Yes, I'm being an asshole to you here, but you're being an asshole by coming in here and hating Apple/Steve Jobs (which is fine) to rain on people's parade who don't (which is not fine).

[Cretaceous Bob]

I really see no evidence to call Jobs stupid, either, or downplay his skill as a CEO.

[DWarrior]

People call him a genius because they don't have the mental capacity to comprehend true genius.

He's a successful businessman, but I won't be at his funeral or erect shrines to him. He might be important enough to warrant a google logo on his bday.

[FletchLives]

Hey the dude really knew how to sell product. He used the same marketing for children as he did selling ipods. And it worked. Cheap slightly altered product, after cheap slightly altered product, he dominated the market. We, as the consumers were stupid enough to buy the same shit over and over and over again in different shaped pretty faces.
How could I dispute that he's an extremely successful businessman? I'm just saying that his success is due to the fact that we are morons. A la Pet Rock.

[Huggie]

Haters gonna hate

[FletchLives]

Huggers gonna hug