Syria

[Sparrow]

can we talk about it?

[Paraquat]

Why not?

[Sparrow]

it's political in the extreme. lobbing a few tomahawk missiles won't do a dick for the people our government are using to pull our heartstrings. this will not be a 'limited strike.' there will be repercussions that i'm sure our administration will use to further enmesh us into the ceaseless unrest in the middle east.

i'm a big believer in the Powell Doctrine and this bullsnappery fails its checklist.

[RefusingYouLiquor]

"Boots on the ground" type warfare isn't going to work here because there isn't going to be public support for that.... The unfortunate thing is the US is a super power, and no one else is going to lead a coalition (ie on the security council of the UN) and using chemical weapons in my opinion is pretty serious without someone stepping in and shutting it down with an iron fist.

Meh my thoughts

[campy]

My man posted this on F.B in the hopes of prompting Syria discussions....


Obama has painted himself into a corner with this Syrian red line in the sand statement he made. Now he's in a downward spiraling diplomatic mess with Russia and the US is loosing international credibility due to lack of action. This nonsensical world police moral high ground visa vie chemical weapons that he is pushing seems in stark contrast to the tens of thousands that have died in this civil war due to conventional weapons being used over the last 2 years. Kill people sure! no problem as long as you don't use chemical weapons!!! I said nooo to that. The actual situation on the ground is far more complicated than what the news outlets are painting. The rebel forces are being backed by Islamic jihadi fighters. Who just yesterday said they do not want US assistance. The Assad regime is backed by Iran as well. What we have here is essentially a Sunni v Shiite... US v Russia... communist vs capitalist... Christan v Islamic ....rich vs poor proxy war with the potential of destabilizing the middle east and seriously damaging US Russian relations if the super powers get involved. Clearly Putin is not Gorbachev. Is Obama seriously stupid enough to go it alone and attack Syria with out the UN backing? (Agreed the UN veto system is fundamentally flawed and will always result in a deadlock and non action). Obama needs to put his thinking cap on, take note of what happened (continues to happen) in Iraq and curb the egotistical moral high ground bull!@#!.

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by RefusingYouLiquor

no one else is going to lead a coalition (ie on the security council of the UN) and using chemical weapons in my opinion is pretty serious without someone stepping in and shutting it down with an iron fist.

i think les president has really screwed the pooch here, PR-wise. /no one/ is rallying behind us; c'mon, France and Canada? i understand the seriousness of our collective global resolution not to use chemical warfare, WWI sucked a dick, BUT we've turned so many blind eyes in recent years it makes it hard to swallow now. it's serious, but it comes across as a veil because there are so many other political reasons on which Obama is choosing to act. and goddamn unilaterally!!! it's scary to me that an American president has so openly disregarded the will of the People.

Originally Posted by campy

My man posted this on F.B in the hopes of prompting Syria discussions....


Obama has painted himself into a corner with this Syrian red line in the sand statement he made. Now he's in a downward spiraling diplomatic mess with Russia and the US is loosing international credibility due to lack of action. This nonsensical world police moral high ground visa vie chemical weapons that he is pushing seems in stark contrast to the tens of thousands that have died in this civil war due to conventional weapons being used over the last 2 years. Kill people sure! no problem as long as you don't use chemical weapons!!! I said nooo to that. The actual situation on the ground is far more complicated than what the news outlets are painting. The rebel forces are being backed by Islamic jihadi fighters. Who just yesterday said they do not want US assistance. The Assad regime is backed by Iran as well. What we have here is essentially a Sunni v Shiite... US v Russia... communist vs capitalist... Christan v Islamic ....rich vs poor proxy war with the potential of destabilizing the middle east and seriously damaging US Russian relations if the super powers get involved. Clearly Putin is not Gorbachev. Is Obama seriously stupid enough to go it alone and attack Syria with out the UN backing? (Agreed the UN veto system is fundamentally flawed and will always result in a deadlock and non action). Obama needs to put his thinking cap on, take note of what happened (continues to happen) in Iraq and curb the egotistical moral high ground bull!@#!.

Syria and Iran have a mutual defense pact. i'm want to believe this is reason to get into a broil with them.

fuck the moral high ground. we're doing enough civilian damage with our drone strikes and all the leftover chemical bomb residue in Iraq. if we were want to put on our hero cape, North Korean gulags have been operating for over 50 years; it's like the fucking holocaust in there.

[Enunciated Piffle]

MURDER IS MURDER no matter how a 'liberal' 'Democrat' President tries to sell it.

Check out a really great view on the subject via podcast: DAN CARLIN'S COMMON SENSE #260 AN ARMY OF ONE

WTF is bombing Syria going to accomplish?

[Sparrow]

so far, the most honest answer i've heard come out of our higher ups is so we don't look like pussies.

[Enunciated Piffle]

Here's a thought. Rather than bombing Syria, (killing men, women, and children as well as utterly destroying the environment) how about we:

FOCUS ON FUKUSHIMA A GLOBAL, WORLDWIDE CATASTROPHE

that is fixable, if '1st world' technologically capable nations, (like the US) put man, time, money, and resources into fixing.

The entire west coast of America is literally going to have to inevitably evacuate due to the levels of radiation that Japan announced on August 19, 2013 were accidentally spilled into the ocean.

Fuck Syria. Let's prioritize. Let's get real.

[Sparrow]

there are a thousand international humanitarian things more pressing.

our actions in Syria are significant regarding the American peoples' constitutional power since it's become very painfully clear our system has become symbolic in nature. none of our hopes for or efforts toward a better world will be possible if we continue to allow the concentration of executive powers.

so, no. not fuck syria. it's highlighting some serious domestic problems we /have/ to start dealing with.