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Old 01-05-2010, 05:42 AM   #21 (permalink)
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What stops Avatar being in the same league as those other sci-fi or fantasy classics is that even though Avatar has 3D action it only has 2D characters. There's nobody in Avatar that's even half as entertaining as Han Solo or Captian Kirk or even that lovable, magical old homo Gandalf. Avatar will be remembered for it's technological achievement but in 10 years nobody will talk about it the way they do now about The Matrix or Aliens or Star Wars. It's just too fucking goofy.
Bang on, sir. I was forgetting the characters names whilst I was still watching it.
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I saw the previews, so I expected the story to be shit, Dances With Wolves IN SPACE! I have told people to go see it in 3D, but don't bother without it. The star of this film is the 3D. There is no plot twist, and nothing happens that you don't see coming at least an hour before it happens. You know what he's going to choose to do, you know how he's going to unite the clans, you know what's going to happen with him and the chick, and you know how it's going to end, all LONG before it gets there. It's as predictable as a romantic comedy. This script was written by focus group study and statistical analysis of what had been done before.

I enjoyed the movie because I went in there expecting that. I was going to the theater for fun and to see the cool new special effects, not expecting some great story with unique plot twists.
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I enjoyed the movie because I went in there expecting that. I was going to the theater for fun and to see the cool new special effects, not expecting some great story with unique plot twists.
I totally get what you are saying... and if it were GI Joe, i can understand not expecting a finely crafted story... (Although that movie did have a satisfying plot).

But why, if a movie is a technological masterpiece like everyone says, can they not also make it a great story with unique plot twists??? Since when have we simply accepted that these two things are now mutually exclusive?
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Old 01-05-2010, 08:58 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Because when you put $500mil on the line, you aim for the lowest common denominator. There are FAR more dumb people than smart people (If you don't believe me, look at the political discussions on these very forums), and many of the smart people aren't watching it expecting an epic storyline.
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Old 01-05-2010, 10:48 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I saw the previews, so I expected the story to be shit, Dances With Wolves IN SPACE! I have told people to go see it in 3D, but don't bother without it. The star of this film is the 3D. There is no plot twist, and nothing happens that you don't see coming at least an hour before it happens. You know what he's going to choose to do, you know how he's going to unite the clans, you know what's going to happen with him and the chick, and you know how it's going to end, all LONG before it gets there. It's as predictable as a romantic comedy. This script was written by focus group study and statistical analysis of what had been done before.

I enjoyed the movie because I went in there expecting that. I was going to the theater for fun and to see the cool new special effects, not expecting some great story with unique plot twists.
Exactly! It's a groundbreaking technological leap - expect to see more and more movies made "just like it" but the plot is Dances With Wolves meets Fern Gully. I fully expected the answer to "how many are there?" to be "as many as there are stars in the sky".
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I thought the anti gravity was due to the bowl that the rock was displayed on.
Maybe.

I just connected it with the other floating rocks in the movie, didn't think it was much of a stretch. But there isn't enough information given to support anything but guesses at this point.

In the end, what gives the rock it's value matters little, it wasn't the story of Unobtainium, it was the story of, well, just about everything else. The rocks, though, weren't plot holes.
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Old 01-05-2010, 06:06 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Because when you put $500mil on the line, you aim for the lowest common denominator. There are FAR more dumb people than smart people (If you don't believe me, look at the political discussions on these very forums), and many of the smart people aren't watching it expecting an epic storyline.
Dead on.

Half a billion dollar gamble, the future of 3D cinema, I wouldn't take risks with breaking new ground in storytelling, either(we all saw how movies like No Country for Old Men get reviewed by the public).

Let's all be honest, the story was good, really good. Finely crafted, honed, sharpened by the story having been told several times before with great success. We've all seen it before, at least if we are over our twenties.

There's nothing wrong with that.

But holy crap, imagine you had never seen Pocahontas or Dances with Wolves, imagine you are twelve again, not bitter about film, and this is one of your earliest cinema experiences!

How do you NOT crap your pants seeing it and how do you NOT laugh when your old fogey Dad tries to tell you how great Lethal Weapon was!
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Old 01-05-2010, 11:35 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I saw the previews, so I expected the story to be shit, Dances With Wolves IN SPACE! I have told people to go see it in 3D, but don't bother without it. The star of this film is the 3D. There is no plot twist, and nothing happens that you don't see coming at least an hour before it happens. You know what he's going to choose to do, you know how he's going to unite the clans, you know what's going to happen with him and the chick, and you know how it's going to end, all LONG before it gets there. It's as predictable as a romantic comedy. This script was written by focus group study and statistical analysis of what had been done before.

I enjoyed the movie because I went in there expecting that. I was going to the theater for fun and to see the cool new special effects, not expecting some great story with unique plot twists.
yea. but nearly 3 hours of 3D does give you a pretty mean headache after.
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yea. but nearly 3 hours of 3D does give you a pretty mean headache after.
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I'm assuming you were at a packed theater, seated maybe in the first one or two rows? Possibly you wear eyeglasses as well? Were you at an IMAX?

The only people I have heard complain about that at all are people shafted into the front rows, usually wearing eyeglasses.
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Old 01-06-2010, 01:42 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Really? That's your gripe?

Numerous scenes in the movie were just like scenes from other movies.

Getting in the other clans and the big speech etc etc... Braveheart with blue people.
All the other stuff I can get past. This one just sticks me. I cant get over it.
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