Women Are Cheap

[Bebe]

I'm with you Marina. I am a capable woman, and I like to show my man that I can take care of myself. I think he likes that. He already has a child, he doesn't need another one.

I understand the principle of door opening etc, I just don't think it needs to be something men do for women to make them feel more manly. It's good manners to help someone out. I like the idea of being in an equal relationship where we do things for each other. Being a man is what makes my man feel manly, not doors or sidewalks or whatever.

[DWarrior]

I don't understand letting women walk first into places, clearly the more chivalrous act would be for the man to walk in first, make sure it's safe, and then hold the door open for the lady. For example, if there is a ninja ambush, why would you want her to be the target?

[Bebe]

Originally Posted by DWarrior

I don't understand letting women walk first into places, clearly the more chivalrous act would be for the man to walk in first, make sure it's safe, and then hold the door open for the lady. For example, if there is a ninja ambush, why would you want her to be the target?

Ftr if there is a ninja, I'll be kicking his ass before my man even sees him

[Medium Brumski]

Originally Posted by Bebe

I'm with you Marina. I am a capable woman, and I like to show my man that I can take care of myself. I think he likes that. He already has a child, he doesn't need another one.

I understand the principle of door opening etc, I just don't think it needs to be something men do for women to make them feel more manly. It's good manners to help someone out. I like the idea of being in an equal relationship where we do things for each other. Being a man is what makes my man feel manly, not doors or sidewalks or whatever.

I think when you say this you need to qualify what it means to be a man, to you, since you're disqualifying a few widely acknowledged examples.

If all he has to do is put his dick in you, I bet even doctorsleep could qualify as a man, with some gentle coaxing.

I do always hold the door open, and if a date ever balked and argued with me about it, I couldn't help but think she was a bitch.

[natrasha]

Originally Posted by Bebe

I'm with you Marina. I am a capable woman, and I like to show my man that I can take care of myself. I think he likes that. He already has a child, he doesn't need another one.

I understand the principle of door opening etc, I just don't think it needs to be something men do for women to make them feel more manly. It's good manners to help someone out. I like the idea of being in an equal relationship where we do things for each other. Being a man is what makes my man feel manly, not doors or sidewalks or whatever.

Wow
Appreciating that a partner can rewire a house or remove millipedes does not make me incapable or a child.
That's pretty judgmental to imply that it does. I lived on my own for 15 years before getting married. I own our house and we are renovating it together. I know lots of guys who cannot use a hammer. I love that mine can.
I can't believe I have to qualify this to another woman. We get ridiculed and judged by guys all day. Let's not do it to eachother.

[Jesse James]

This thread reminds me of Tom Leykis's show. Any fans?

[Incognito]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

This thread reminds me of Tom Leykis's show. Any fans?

Guy's an unfunny douchebag. 'Nuff said.

[marina]

Originally Posted by Medium Brumski

I do always hold the door open, and if a date ever balked and argued with me about it, I couldn't help but think she was a bitch.

Men do get really annoyed at the door thing. I don't understand it. Why would you think she's a bitch?

Originally Posted by natrasha

Wow
Appreciating that a partner can rewire a house or remove millipedes does not make me incapable or a child.

I don't think Bebe is suggesting that women who can't to pluming and bug removal are children, just that she does the things that she can do as part of being an equal partner in a household, and that she takes pride in being an asset to her household, like we all do-unless we're children, or jerks, or retarded.

I think that there's a lot of disdain between women who subscribe to rigid gender roles and those that don't, and within those subsections, there's still disdain between women based on which gender roles to abandon and which to keep. And with everybody feeling like everybody else is judging them and suggesting that their way is the best one, tensions can run high if you're not the same kind of female as everyone else involved.

[picard102]

Originally Posted by marina

Men do get really annoyed at the door thing. I don't understand it. Why would you think she's a bitch?

It's being chastised for being nice. Unnecessary and rude. If someone let's you merge into their lane you don't flip them the bird.

That said, the idea that someone would define themselves as being manly through opening doors, and other hold overs from the 60's, is laughable.

[Draconis]

I don't understand the idea of making a big thing out of someone paying for you, or holding a door open. It's a person being polite, or doing it because they want to. I very much doubt that it's often done with alternate intentions.

I for one think I can choose better people to date than dicks who think that paying for my dinner, or being a gentleman will get them some poon.