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Old 09-03-2010, 12:14 PM   #61 (permalink)
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And here's my thing, any nice person would let another person merge into their lane, but a nice man isn't going to hold the door for another man. Door holding and other chivalrous actions only apply to women, which is the root of my issue.

I don't object to a person holding the door for another person, but I do object to holder having to be a man and the holdee having to be a woman.
Seriously?! This may be a Midwestern thing but all people hold doors 'round these parts for people or all genders. I hold doors for guys, guys hold doors for guys, women hold doors for me, that shit is just good manners.
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Old 09-03-2010, 12:20 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Seriously?! This may be a Midwestern thing but all people hold doors 'round these parts for people or all genders. I hold doors for guys, guys hold doors for guys, women hold doors for me, that shit is just good manners.
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When I said I always hold doors open, I meant for all people
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Old 09-03-2010, 12:35 PM   #63 (permalink)
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And here's my thing, any nice person would let another person merge into their lane, but a nice man isn't going to hold the door for another man. Door holding and other chivalrous actions only apply to women, which is the root of my issue.

I don't object to a person holding the door for another person, but I do object to holder having to be a man and the holdee having to be a woman.
This doesn't apply where I live, everyone holds the door for everyone else...maybe it's a Canadian thing....it gets ridiculous where your 30 feet away and the person will hold the door and wait for you to run up and walk through it.

I get what you're saying though, let's all be nice to one another regardless of gender....ahhhe to live in a perfect world.
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Old 09-03-2010, 12:43 PM   #64 (permalink)
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I like to pay - I look forward to women being cheap and not bringing money. Then I can easily make sure they know that I'm paying cash, they are paying with services. Its just common sense.
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Old 09-03-2010, 01:12 PM   #65 (permalink)
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This doesn't apply where I live, everyone holds the door for everyone else...maybe it's a Canadian thing....it gets ridiculous where your 30 feet away and the person will hold the door and wait for you to run up and walk through it.

I get what you're saying though, let's all be nice to one another regardless of gender....ahhhe to live in a perfect world.
No, it's common here in Texas as well.
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Old 09-03-2010, 05:50 PM   #66 (permalink)
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...... you treat and make me feel like a woman and I'll treat and make you feel like a man.
I don't think I'd mind being treated like a woman and I don't have any particular attachment to feeling like a man. But maybe that's what a pussy WOULD say.
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Old 09-03-2010, 06:44 PM   #67 (permalink)
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The insecurity comment I really don't get. I like to take care of my girl, that makes me insecure?
Didn't mean you specifically. I mean in general, men who are concerned with being manly, are the most insecure about their image.
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Old 09-03-2010, 09:30 PM   #68 (permalink)
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Seriously?! This may be a Midwestern thing but all people hold doors 'round these parts for people or all genders. I hold doors for guys, guys hold doors for guys, women hold doors for me, that shit is just good manners.
Depends. I usually hold doors for people, but I'll sort of "hand them off" as I walk in, unless the angle is such that it's just easier to let them in. Everyone else does the same thing (in NJ), regardless of gender.

But for women I'd be more inclined to actually let them through first and then walk in myself (but I'm not going to stand there for over 10 seconds waiting for them to walk up and through, unless I know them).
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Old 09-03-2010, 10:28 PM   #69 (permalink)
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Appreciating that a partner can rewire a house or remove millipedes does not make me incapable or a child.
That's pretty judgmental to imply that it does.
I didn't mean to offend, I was talking about myself. It took me a long time to grow up and now that I have, I like that I'm with someone who appreciates that I can take care of myself. Some men get a bit huffy with women that don't need them to bang in nails etc. That's all I was meaning.
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Old 09-03-2010, 10:33 PM   #70 (permalink)
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I think when you say this you need to qualify what it means to be a man, to you, since you're disqualifying a few widely acknowledged examples.

If all he has to do is put his dick in you, I bet even doctorsleep could qualify as a man, with some gentle coaxing.
That's not really what I meant at all. Being man, too me, means having a dick, having testostereone, supporting yourself, being emotionally mature etc. So pretty much the same as being a woman, but with a cock.

I didn't mean having sex with women makes him a man.
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