1515: Siri

[Zomniac]

Originally Posted by vent

Also the Taliban did not do 9/11, that was al-quieda, a completely different organisation, the Taliban is a military resistance to the US occupation of Afghanistan and have never killed an American civilian.

This is absolutely false. Taliban soldiers have killed scores of civilian contract workers, Red Cross volunteers, and media personnel. Further, they have massacred Afghan citizens both during the initial take-over of the country and now during the war.

The Taliban were the original occupying force, not a military resistance to the US "occupation", and only now is it being proven that they were a brutal and oppressive presence in that country long before a single Western solder set foot on their soil in this war.

Further, too many of the Taliban command were also al-Qaeda facilitators, trainers, as well as ranked officials in their organization.

A simple Google search brings up articles from various sources, including those of the Afghan media, recounting the murders of citizens of many countries by the Taliban. According to the United Nations, the Taliban and their allies were responsible for 75% of civilian casualties in 2010 and 80% in 2011.

Don't bother rebutting, this is fact, read the Wiki article which completely outlines all the above information, with references.
Taliban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It would seem your ignorance is expanded by your inability to do a simple internet search for real information.

[Keith]

Suck on that you ignorant bitch!

[Zomniac]

Originally Posted by starscream

Man, I kind of hated the Americans before for killing my mother and my sister, but now that you've shown this video of them pissing on them afterwards, now I am ready to sign up for terrorism. Thank you so much for helping me make up my mind, Taliban recruiter person.

fuck you

War is hell.

I have no idea what war does to a person, but I do know this... This incident is not what the US Military is about. The US Military is supposed to fight with honor. This is not honorable. Nor is what the Taliban or any of the enemies of the West has done against us. This sword cuts both ways, but the US should be better than this.

I will not justify or defend what these few soldiers have done in this incident or any other incidents during this war. I cannot ever see myself being pushed so far as to want to piss on a corpse, because "simply smoking the bastard" wasn't enough.

... But I also refuse to be outraged by it. That makes ME no better than an angry Muslim ready to murder me for having the audacity to sketch Muhammad on a napkin.

Never forget, MOST of these people we fight are pure animals... and we ARE better than them even if a very small number of us do not act as if we are.

[Zomniac]

Just to be clear:

I don't like it. I don't understand it. I don't condone it. I don't know if I would do it.


BUT...
I won't apologize for it. I'm not outraged by it. I won't lose any sleep over it.

I LOVE MY COUNTRY!

'nuff said

[DaveNJ]

Is it okay for Marines to piss on the Taliban? It's not exactly the best thing in the world, but, given that the Taliban pisses on the basic tenets of human decency, a little urine on their corpses doesn't particularly bother me. It's not ideal, and it's a little disturbing, but I'm really not inclined to go out of my way to worry about a little bit of water on the dead bodies of some evil people.

[Blitzgal]

We've known about the Taliban's human rights abuses since the early 90's. We did absolutely nothing about it. And after 9/11, we invaded, installed a couple of warlords, and then went off on our merry way to Iraq. And then....SURPRISE! The Taliban took over again. Afghanistan was a massive fuckup on our part.

But to the poll. Is it "wrong" to desecrate a body? Yes. Am I surprised they did it? No. We've known for a long time that taking a bunch of 18 year old kids into war turns them into monsters. So yeah, a couple of videos of pissing on corpses and throwing puppies off cliffs aren't going to surprise me. Nor is hearing about a group of soldiers tracking down a young woman they saw at a checkpoint and slaughtering her entire family so they can rape her. Civilians, yeah. But they were Iraqi, so that makes them "bad people." War is hell, herp derp.

[Bucho]

I hope those leathernecks were at least smart enough to remember to cut the trophy ears and/or fingers off the corpses before they commenced to pissing on them. It's a sticky situation, genius pun intended, if you try to do it afterwards.

[adrian]

Originally Posted by Junkenstein

yes it is ok. they are the enemy, they were killed, the soldiers should be able to defile their bodies if they want to. its war.

On the big scale of things i wonder why people are getting upset over this?

It is without question a war crime, but so is illegal invasion, torture, the indefinite detention of opposing forces after war has been declared over, bombing and shooting of civilians, the use of chemical weapons - including phosphorus as in Fallujah, the targeting of hospitals and journalists etc.

Since the end of the second world war, when the US was instrumental in trying germans and japanese and setting up international laws to prevent such things, it has become quite comfortable using and justifying every abuse they once condemned. - and the patriot act means they have the "right" to abuse their own citizens in much the same way as they feel they should behave overseas.

Here's a tip america, they don't hate you for your freedom.

[adrian]

Originally Posted by WSEIII

Yes they're the enemy but stuff like this gives the United States a bad reputation. It's comparable to another country burning our flag.

burning a flag is free speech. defiling bodies of the enemy is classified as a war crime. - or it used to be, when the US followed the constitution and the geneva convention

[flerchin]

New rule: If you weren't an adult on 9/11/2001, your opinion on the validity of the Afghanistan war is considered that of a child. You should be seen and not heard.

The amount of ignorance and blind conflating of the Afghan war with the Iraq war is shocking from "the kids these days".

The video is the problem. Its mere existence aids the enemy. Aiding the enemy is not what these Marines were trying to do, but they did nonetheless.

The actions depicted are not war crimes. See numerous examples during World War II of all sides desecrating war dead, with the only disciplinary actions being handed out internally.American mutilation of Japanese war dead - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia