547: Kill Yourself

[gumby013]

Originally Posted by Vudell

apparently, he was online a few hours ago:


made a twitter about him being missing a favorite, a few minutes later it was gone. so he's alive. ::insert appropriate emoticon here::

Tada! I love screencaps. Once again Nick has let down all of his "friends" by sitting and watching as they all panic over him. He must be in some ultimate glory mindset right now. Everyone is paying attention to him.

[36D]

"Drew and I just got off the phone with Nick Starr. He is ok and is getting help. He thanks everyone for all their positive well wishes and asks that you will respect his privacy right now as he works through a difficult time.

Please have patience, more information will come as the situation progresses, just know that he is safe and unharmed.

We are locking down this thread but you can continue to send Nick your love HERE (link coming).

Take care of each other.

Love, Dawn and Drew"

http://dawnanddrewwp.podshow.com/dnd...=asc&start=425

[starscream]

Originally Posted by william

Rarely are men who kill themselves in the right state of mind. As such, how could their death be other than tragic?

Some cultures find it an acceptable ends, but it’s my understanding that acts such as Seppuku are acts against dishonor, not despair.

Even when your responses are short, they're still dense. It is amazing. And trying.

So aside from the obvious question of who dictates the right state of mind" because that's juvenile, is there then no middle ground? There's either tragic death or noble death? These people want to kill themselves. Regardless of the reason, conscious or subconscious, it is ultimately their choice. If a person becomes a killer because of his tragic childhood leading to his "wrong" state of mind, is his choice to kill people then tragic as well? Only to the people he kills. And the people affected by the act. Nobody says, og that's tragic that he decided to kill people. Same as in suicide. The only tragedy, if there has to be one, is suffered by those left to deal with the ramifications. Not the one who chose to do the thing.

[Goku]

Originally Posted by 36D

"Drew and I just got off the phone with Nick Starr. He is ok and is getting help. He thanks everyone for all their positive well wishes and asks that you will respect his privacy right now as he works through a difficult time.

Please have patience, more information will come as the situation progresses, just know that he is safe and unharmed.

We are locking down this thread but you can continue to send Nick your love HERE (link coming).

Take care of each other.

Love, Dawn and Drew"

http://dawnanddrewwp.podshow.com/dnd...=asc&start=425

Glad to hear he's okay.

[batlash]

Originally Posted by the boss of you

Here's what Patrick from NLO had to say on the Dawn and Drew forums:

INSERT Patrick just bashing Nick left, right & center - while trying to seem like a "good guy"

Makes sense to me.

While I used to give NOBODY LIKES ONIONS a listen now and then - my utter disgust in Patrick's behavior - has forced me to give up listening to his show ever again.
If Patrick really did think Nick was a loser and a headcase, then shame on him for using Nick for so long. It really seems that he took advantage of Nick being so insecure, that he'd take being the brunt of the joke - if for no other reason than attention.
Here Nick is - possibly hurt or dead - and Patrick uses his time to just make the guy look ridiculous. Being that he was a frequent guest on the NLO show, it's pretty sad that apparently he was seen as nothing more than a freak show to attract the crowds. At the very least - even if they're relationship had gone sour, you would expect someone to at least be a little worried about someone that they knew as more than just an acquaintance.
Shame on you Patrick.
While I was never a huge fan of Nick's antics, I hope this twitter thing is nothing more than a cry for attention. I hope whatever God is out there is keeping an eye out for Nick - because at the end of the day, he is just another one of God's children.

[batlash]

Originally Posted by Goku

Glad to hear he's okay.

well- thank God for that.

[ncfcyank19]

I know that all the facts haven't come out yet but now that I know he's ok and has been checking the boards, saying nothing may I shout a big FUCK YOU to Nick Starr. I've never cared for his act or a lot of the decisions he made but fuck, it's his fucking life and it was not screwing mine so I didn't really care.

Now...human to human I actually fucking cared. I wanted to know he was ok and there he was, watching us all boo-hoo over him. Again I don't want to publicly pass judgement here but FUCK! While I'm happy he's ok, I am fucking pissed off to no end right now. I'm glad he's getting help. He needs it.

[Solar]

So the loser decided that around 24 hours in he'd let his "friends" know he is ok. How surprising, since that is how most of these attentiong whoring suicide wannabes seem to do it.

I'd like to know how many of his Dawn and Drew groupies and other so called "friends" are going to splash out like they did before and offer him a place to stay while they find him permanent housing? Almost certainly none.

The funny part is that after he gets over his latest attention whoring the reality that no one really could care less about his existence will be rammed home even more than before.

[Rhian]

Human to human - of course I would never wish ill upon anyone.

Obvi, not a fan of D and D and only heard of Nick through the grapevine, but seriously his choices are wacked.

[william]

Originally Posted by starscream

If a person becomes a killer because of his tragic childhood leading to his "wrong" state of mind, is his choice to kill people then tragic as well? Only to the people he kills. And the people affected by the act. Nobody says, og that's tragic that he decided to kill people. Same as in suicide. The only tragedy, if there has to be one, is suffered by those left to deal with the ramifications. Not the one who chose to do the thing.

I think the tragedy comes from compassion for the situation, compassion for your fellow man. It is tragic that this person felt that they had no other choice but to kill themself.

When hopelessness drives a man to take his life, he loses sight of alternative solutions.

That's when the depression and despair become so great that they just want to - in a very permanent sense - go to sleep. They're emotionally worn out, weary. They've given up and can't see past today.

They walk the streets thinking even the most downtrodden are better off than them. They scorn every one else's problems as petty, thinking that only their problems are truly devastating.

They are men in pain who believe they can withstand any form of pain other than the one they have. That their pain is unbearable. That they are hopeless.

They look out the window and think, "Just a small step and I'll be free."

They are tragic victims of their circumstances and states of mind.

A killer who does so because of his upbringing is tragic. And those who he kills have had a tragedy fall upon them - far greater than the killer - for they may be hapless victims who but for random chance, died that day.

But just as not every suicide is done out of despair, not every murder is driven by their personal demons. Some fuckers are outright sociopaths.

And note that the tragedy needs not be one-sided. Both the victim and the perpetrator can be seen as tragic victims, each with it's own perspective.

Nor am I saying that suicide is not equally tragic for the ones left behind. In fact, I agree with you - suicide is probably far more devastating for them.

The dead, after all, cease to suffer. It's the living who continue on in pain.

When Perry said, 'I think there must be something wrong with us,' he was making an admission he 'hated to make.' After all, it was 'painful' to imagine that one might be 'not just right' - particularly if whatever was wrong was not your own fault but 'maybe a thing you were born with.' Look at his family! Look at what had happened there! His mother, an alcoholic, had strangled to death on her own vomit. Of her children, two sons and two daughters, only the younger girl, Barbara, had entered ordinary life, married, begun raising a family. Fern, the other daughter, jumped out of a window of a San Francisco hotel. (Perry had since 'tried to believe she slipped,' for he'd loved Fern. She was 'such a sweet person,' so artistic,' a 'terrific' dancer, and she could sing, too. 'If she'd ever had any luck at all, with her looks and all, she could have got somewhere, been somebody.' It was sad to think of her climbing over a windowsill and falling fifteen floors.) And there was Jimmy, the older boy - Jimmy who had one day driven his wife to suicide and killed himself the next.

- In Cold Blood, Truman Capote