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Old 05-06-2010, 06:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Too bad Republicans are mostly fucktards, so whoever they put up will be a fucktard.
I don't know what kind of friends you have, but all the Republicans I know are pretty damned smart.
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I don't know what kind of friends you have, but all the Republicans I know are pretty damned smart.
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Old 05-06-2010, 07:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Everybody knows both parties are comprised primarily of fucktards (personally, I think the Republicans are only slightly less so). The current problem is mainly the lack of balance with the Dems controlling everything. In Nov. and again in 2012, the Reps will likely regain the majority and (just like the Dems now) they'll do everything in their power to fuck the other party and the American people. It's not about the voters anymore; it's about the politicians' spite for each other.

Oh yeah, universal healthcare is total bullshit, any way you look at it.
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Old 05-06-2010, 07:16 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Everybody knows both parties are comprised primarily of fucktards
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they'll do everything in their power to fuck the other party and the American people.
No matter who is in power, they will do this.

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Oh yeah, universal healthcare is total bullshit, any way you look at it.
It's already here. The poor fucks can already go to the emergency room to get medical care. Guess who pays for that?


Iraq was pretty screwed up. So far the Dems have not achieved something as screwed up as that. I'll lean that way until they do.
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Old 05-06-2010, 09:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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It's already here. The poor fucks can already go to the emergency room to get medical care. Guess who pays for that?
This is a misconception. I have an employee who, while he was working for another company, accumulated a rather sizable emergency room hospital bill. He didn't have insurance and he didn't pay the bill. After he came back to work for us, I was court ordered to garnish his wages according to a fairly ruthless formula. They took about 1/3 of his take-home pay, which was not a great deal to start with. He really got hammered. But eventually, he was able to pay it off. They only way he could have avoided it would have been to skip from job to job in order to stay ahead of the court. Some people do that, but it is not where the bulk of our money is going.

One could argue that the whole idea of insurance is about basically the same phenomenon--whether you have it or not. Who costs us, the people who have it more: a) the person with no insurance who skips out on a lanced boil bill of $250; or b) the person who has paid say $50,000 into a health insurance plan and then has a major health crisis that runs $500,000? It is all relative. The only thing that we do know is that costs are out of control, and they are out of control in a specific way that competition alone cannot remedy.
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Old 05-06-2010, 10:20 PM   #6 (permalink)
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This is a misconception. I have an employee who, while he was working for another company, accumulated a rather sizable emergency room hospital bill. He didn't have insurance and he didn't pay the bill. After he came back to work for us, I was court ordered to garnish his wages according to a fairly ruthless formula. They took about 1/3 of his take-home pay, which was not a great deal to start with. He really got hammered. But eventually, he was able to pay it off. They only way he could have avoided it would have been to skip from job to job in order to stay ahead of the court. Some people do that, but it is not where the bulk of our money is going.

One could argue that the whole idea of insurance is about basically the same phenomenon--whether you have it or not. Who costs us, the people who have it more: a) the person with no insurance who skips out on a lanced boil bill of $250; or b) the person who has paid say $50,000 into a health insurance plan and then has a major health crisis that runs $500,000? It is all relative. The only thing that we do know is that costs are out of control, and they are out of control in a specific way that competition alone cannot remedy.


I'm not buying it. The guy who doesn't have insurance and has the $500,000 med bill is worse than the guy who pays $50,000 and then has the $500,000 med bill. Basic math.

Either pay for the insurance or suffer on your own. That's the only fair way to do it.
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I'm not buying it. The guy who doesn't have insurance and has the $500,000 med bill is worse than the guy who pays $50,000 and then has the $500,000 med bill. Basic math.

Either pay for the insurance or suffer on your own. That's the only fair way to do it.
What I meant was a guy with no insurance, but a much smaller bill, say even $5,000 or $50,000. I know a lot of people with insurance who run up bills way above and beyond the total of anything they ever paid in. Those costs are immediately shared across their insurance pools, but the overall costs affect everyone. Insurance companies lose on some pools and make up those losses on other pools. Doctors lose on some providers and make those costs up on other patients. In many instances, the single insured and the cash customer actually subsidize managed, insured costs. I'll look into it. I'm pretty confident that the volume of really high dollar treatments and surgeries is not entering, unpaid, through emergency rooms.

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Old 05-06-2010, 10:39 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Either pay for the insurance or suffer on your own. That's the only fair way to do it.
Some would say that the fair way to do it is to establish one single pool that everyone has equal access to. Or, go to a straight cash fee-for-service system. If you can't pay for it, you can't have it. It would be unfair if someone got treatmet on credit and then defaulted. Cash up front. Is that better?

But, of course, there's the question of who deserves health care as compensation. Our system would be fairer, I suppose, in a merit-based compensation structure, but that's not what we have.
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I don't know what kind of friends you have, but all the Republicans I know are pretty damned smart.
Do you know a gal by the name of Sarah Palin?


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Do you know a gal by the name of Sarah Palin?
Not personally, no. And singular examples of idiots doesn't mean everyone in whatever party are all idiots. Does Paris Hilton represent the intelligence of the average democrat, or even the average American? It's a mixed bag in all parties/populations, why sensationalize or vilify?

You think you can convince me that Sarah Palin is stupid, therefore I must be? McCain is religious, therefore I must be? Reagan was pro-life, therefore I must be? It's all wrong and all illogical/absurd.

What's the point of this sort of thing?

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In Nov. and again in 2012, the Reps will likely regain the majority and (just like the Dems now) they'll do everything in their power to fuck the other party and the American people.
I do fear an overreaction with popular support, similar to the aftermath of 9/11 or the Bush administration. I fear that opportunity will again be wasted to make real progress in America.
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