13: #Burn2016totheGround

[dannyhatch]

On this episode the Wrap Pack (@DannyHatch & @RagingApathetic) hosts a live chat party/funeral for America in this special No-Fucks-Given edition of Wrap It Up! They discuss the rise of Führer Trump, take some calls and try to process our new dystopian future.

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[lalalemon]

What can I say- Libby does quite a job getting the Phillip's Heads fired up. Imo, the progression of clips in this show is a microcosm of the attitudes shared by a large portion of the general electorate. The refusal to take this election seriously (until damn near the time the votes were being tallied) and the vilifying of the only qualified candidate by moderate voters paired with the outright sexism, racism, xenophobia of much of middle the southern US has got us where we are right now. Not that the "lesser of two evils" argument wasn't understandable, but I am so bothered by the fact that from day 1 Trump did nothing but prove what a sociopath he is. Why did it take reasonable people (that's you, Keith) so long to come around and voice earnest support for the person who would have promoted and protected the basic rights of American citizens?

If we were louder, more firm in our support earlier on, would we be where we are right now? Of course the blames also lies with the very real problem of sexism and racism, but I think a more unified progressive front could have changed the outcome. Maybe in all of this we'll know better?

We'll get em next time?

[Sparrow]

all of this is very scary and complicated. i'm just gonna get a butt ton of guns, horde ammunition, and wait until somebody comes on my property.

[Keith]

You don't think that accent will save you?

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by Keith

You don't think that accent will save you?

'eh. when /everybody/ has one it's not so disarming.

[Rosa]

Originally Posted by lalalemon

Imo, the progression of clips in this show is a microcosm of the attitudes shared by a large portion of the general electorate.

yep, Keith epitomizes the "enthusiasm gap" that cost us this election.

[Keith]

I wasn't thrilled enough, folks.

[Rosa]

The Myths Democrats Swallowed That Cost Them the Presidential Election

[Keith]

With peace and love, any way you can sum that up?

[Los]

Originally Posted by Rosa

The Myths Democrats Swallowed That Cost Them the Presidential Election

I didn't hear the show, but I read that article. He was insulting anyone that didn't support Hillary, and ignoring problems with Clinton herself. Why?

She had issues going into the election, and just added to them. He didn't mention that she was already seen as untrustworthy, and that she assumed she had the support of Obama voters. You don't assume anything in an election. He also doesn't even consider that being under investigation while running for president was an important issue to voters.

Even if you ignore everything else, popularity is a problem. Obama, Sanders and Trump were all extremely popular with their base, while Hillary wasn't. She even admitted that she's more concerned about doing the job than being likable. That's not how you win.

It seems like Democrats don't want to even consider that she wasn't the right candidate, and I don't get it. Anyone that didn't support her is just stupid, racist or sexist. Alienating instead of understanding voters that didn't support her is a good way to make sure Democrats don't win the next election.