1240: God & Guns

[picard102]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

We don't get to tell people they can't do things because it's offensive to us. That's America. If you don't like it, you can geddout.

Yes you do. There is a whole system designed to tell you what you can or cannot do. There are decency laws for one. The FCC works to keep offensive things from television. For property, cities have laws that specifically deal with where and what you can do things.

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by picard102

Yes you do. There is a whole system designed to tell you what you can or cannot do. There are decency laws for one. The FCC works to keep offensive things from television. For property, cities have laws that specifically deal with where and what you can do things.

That's right, don't dispute the point about religious freedom, just pick at shit.

In this case, you don't. I shouldn't have to reiterate the context constantly.

On a whole, as a generality, do you have a legal right in America to block people from doing something you find offensive, or not? And what do American ideals dictate?

[hayroob]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

And there we have it, why I hate liberals. I'm not pro-life; I think much of the pro-life arguments are stupid. But the possible opinions on abortion do not come down to just two choices, so I try to question the matter further. Then I get venom in my face that is just as vitriolic as any a conservative throws out, and irrelevant condemnations of the other side.

I think you know this already, but this isn't a liberal thing, it's a people thing.

People get used to defending a position that is highly polarized, and debating people who will never change their mind and they themselves become polarized and immovable. When someone comes along and asks honest questions with an open ear for the argument they make, they come out full bore, ready to fight instead of having a discussion and reasoning things through.

Abortion is hard, and people usually find their way to one side or the other and then the constant bickering hardens them into that position.

For those interested I'm tentatively pro-choice, but it's not a simple issue and you shouldn't act like it is.

[Blitzgal]

And there we have it; why I hate conservatives. They throw out patronizing, disingenuous comments under the guise of "just asking questions" so they can turn around and act shocked and appalled when they run into someone who isn't going to take their phony posturing anymore.

[Junkenstein]

Originally Posted by Blitzgal

And there we have it; why I hate conservatives. They throw out patronizing, disingenuous comments under the guise of "just asking questions" so they can turn around and act shocked and appalled when they run into someone who isn't going to take their phony posturing anymore.

I think that definition fits 98% of people, unregarding of their political stance.

[JSZilla]

Originally Posted by Junkenstein

I think that definition fits 98% of people, unregarding of their political stance.

Dunno but it's one of the main reasons I hate them. Well, atleast the nuttier ones anyway.

Nuttier liberals on the other hand go apeshit when you criticize them. Which is funny I think because it explains all the PC bullshit they push. So sensitive.

<3

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by Blitzgal

And there we have it; why I hate conservatives. They throw out patronizing, disingenuous comments under the guise of "just asking questions" so they can turn around and act shocked and appalled when they run into someone who isn't going to take their phony posturing anymore.

I'm being completely, utterly, and truly honest when I say this (as far as whether or not you choose to believe it is on you): I didn't care about the abortion issue, so I defaulted to the liberal position. I knew I hated the conservative viewpoint, so I said, "Yeah, okay" to pro-choice. Until one day I decided to actually look at the issue and see what I thought about it. I expected to be more liberal, because I tend to agree with liberals on social issues that are in the same vein as abortion. But the more I talked to liberals and the more I looked into the matter, the clearer it became that it has been severely maligned by our political system. I've always hated the conservative viewpoint, especially given my views on religion. The only thing that has damaged my opinion of the liberal cause is the liberal cause itself.

There wasn't a thing disingenuous that I've said to you, and you're a shitty person and a complete bitch for flipping out at even a hint that I disagree with you. My actual opinions on abortion are much closer to liberal than conservative, but your rigid inability to recognize any fault in the platform dictated by The Party convinced you that I'm a pro-life agent sent in to sabotage you.

Go ahead, vilify the liberal-leaning independent and then scamper off before you can actually be held down to defend how you came to what you think. This is an endlessly repeated thing: I develop respect for a liberal because of an understanding of their reasoning and a rough alignment with my own opinions, only to end up hating them because of their shitty behavior when it comes to abortion.

I have no history of being anything less than honest. I don't have a history of liberal-bashing; even in this very same thread I was right on board with your liberal take. One of the few political figures I actually kind of like is Dennis Kucinich, who is insanely liberal. I can't even begin to understand how warped your mind is to see me as a conservative ambusher.

There was a chance for a real discussion here. Everybody here is familiar with my willingness to address EVERY part of an argument for as long as it takes. I was interested in having it. I thought maybe I could make it clear that I'm not looking to engage in a battle of partisan pawn vs. partisan pawn, but talk with frankness and honesty. I was genuinely interested to see you stop parroting party bullet-points and start really talking about the subject with me.

But no. Turns out you're a cunt.

Originally Posted by hayroob

I think you know this already, but this isn't a liberal thing, it's a people thing.

People get used to defending a position that is highly polarized, and debating people who will never change their mind and they themselves become polarized and immovable. When someone comes along and asks honest questions with an open ear for the argument they make, they come out full bore, ready to fight instead of having a discussion and reasoning things through.

Abortion is hard, and people usually find their way to one side or the other and then the constant bickering hardens them into that position.

For those interested I'm tentatively pro-choice, but it's not a simple issue and you shouldn't act like it is.

Of course it is a people thing, but I feel like I am calling out liberals because I'm so disappointed in them. I think most liberals are very close to a political viewpoint I could endorse, but then I watch them blow their political brains out by being asshats over certain issues and it reminds me why I classify myself as an independent.

I don't think the issue can even be properly expressed with such loaded and extreme terms as pro-choice and pro-life, but I fall closer to pro-choice than pro-life. This is not surprising: I've stated as much before. And yet, I again get a taste of how much more willing the pro-choicer is to shotgun-blast a political cousin than talk about it.

[Junkenstein]

Wow, bobby. I see you're in a good mood.

[hayroob]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

Of course it is a people thing, but I feel like I am calling out liberals because I'm so disappointed in them. I think most liberals are very close to a political viewpoint I could endorse, but then I watch them blow their political brains out by being asshats over certain issues and it reminds me why I classify myself as an independent.

The ones you want to love hurt the most. I meet people who's position I'm in almost complete lockstep with all the time, only to be so bummed out when I find out they hold their position for no reason or some made up, misinformed reason.

Qualifying your position and holding it with reasoning you're competent to defend is important.

[hayroob]

Originally Posted by Junkenstein

Wow, bobby. I see you're in Top Form.

Fixed it.