1379: Osama bin Laden is Dead

[Junkenstein]

Originally Posted by Loki74

From your mom?

the link is dead loki. behave.

[Loki74]

Hmmm I see a picture... oh wells.

[Blitzgal]

Originally Posted by myq

I wouldn't say that two is a lot. (Understanding of course that if those are the only vegans you're familiar with, then 2 out of 2 is technically a high percentage. But you know me and MC Mr. Napkins, so that should decrease it to 50% at most. Unless we're the ones you're calling fat. In which case, you're mean and I'm going out running.)

Ha! No, you're skinny. I work with the two vegans I know. If I broadened this out to vegetarians, I went to college with a lot of vegetarians (liberal arts school) and many of them were also fat. But again, Wisconsin. My best friend from college is a vegetarian and she always jokes, "I can still eat chips and cake."

So yeah, I'm not disputing that Americans are unhealthy. I'm disputing that the solution is as simple as "remove animal products from your diet" as if that's any more of a magical weight loss cure than Adkins, or that California thing where you drink orange crap (can't remember what it's called). It's far more complex than that.

And as I said in the previous post, there are a lot of Asian/Pacific Islanders who are vegetarian not by choice but by financial circumstances, and they have similar problems with obesity and Type-2 diabetes in those areas. Because rice is the main thing they can afford to eat.

Balance, nutritional education, and moderation.

[myq]

Originally Posted by Blitzgal

I'm disputing that the solution is as simple as "remove animal products from your diet."

Balance, nutritional education, and moderation.

I agree with your balance model.
I never said removing animal products from your diet would reveal a magical health elixir. (Except for the animals you're not harming, which WILL be magically healthier as a result of your veganism.)

I was initially just addressing the question of "why would someone answer that they became vegan for health reasons, when you can be healthy without being vegan." And I stand by the fact that for MOST people, if they DO become vegan for health reasons (and not because they're poor and can't afford meat), they are likelier to take actions to BE healthier, and not just hope for the magical health results.

Also, to be clear, I never advocate that everyone be vegan. I know that folks like Junkenstein can agree it's logical but have reasons to not want to. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing thing. You can eat meat less if you want to but think you can't give it up at all, for example.

I just always aim to advocate thoughtfulness, about what you're putting into your body and the consequences of your actions. Vegan or no.

[Blitzgal]

Originally Posted by myq

I just always aim to advocate thoughtfulness, about what you're putting into your body and the consequences of your actions. Vegan or no.

Truth.

[dEadERest]

Originally Posted by myq

So yes, sometimes I make reasonable conjectures based on real life experience and rationality. That's sort of part of being a human.

You?

Who, me? Nah, I don't get out much.
I was just noting for the edification of the general discussion that you were citing empirical evidence to formulate your opinions.

[Archimedes_Screw]

More people should kill and butcher their meat. At least do it once. If you know a country bumpkin ask to go hunting with them or help out on the farm. We used to gather eggs in the morning and and a chicken at night. It did make me appreciate my food more.

[Archimedes_Screw]

Love these old episodes.

[Archimedes_Screw]

Originally Posted by Apia

Please say what you will listen to next. Lets have a shared experience.

1584. Private Fancer