1623: America's Got Talent

[Edward's Screen Name]

Originally Posted by jpj1421

As I was listening to the America's Got Talent clip I was having a sense of Deja Vu, and I couldn't place it.

Same here! I couldn't recall exactly so I looked him up. Dude's been on the Late Late Show, the Tonight Show, and a bunch of other shit. He's apparently hit that very specific range of super bland with just a tad bit of edginess that the corn-fed population at large loves. Bizarre.

[scottishguy]

If Sexy Mike didn't enjoy his diet, he wouldn't eat it/follow it. And in reference to your patriotism debate, I understand both sides. I am not American and therefore see the flaws more easily than an American but understand why you are patriotic about your country. I am a patriotic Scottish person and i don't think it is a bad thing. If you aren't religious (like me) it gives you something to believe in. And I agree with Keith, "Fuck England".

[skeetshart69]

Mike is right about aspartame, but just because there have been no conclusive studies in rats doesn't mean that you should go apeshit with the stuff and assume it's fine for you. Try taking the dose of morphine (in mg/kg, or I guess oz/lb for Keith's liking) we give rats and it will kill you. But all in all, fear of artificial sweetener should be pretty low on the priority list.

Mike is wrong, however, about high fructose corn syrup being the exact same as something like a bunch of dextrose (the "sugar is sugar" debate). Just look at the molecules and you can see they have a different chemical structure. They both have different glycemic indexes. I'm not saying that fructose is inherently unhealthy (it's the sugar found in fruit for godsakes), but it is metabolized somewhat differently than dextrose. All sugar Calories are not equal. Studies have shown a few differences so far between groups that consume glucose vs. fructose, but nothing sensational.

*for anyone that doesn't know, glucose and dextrose are the same thing

[Astigos]

Originally Posted by skeetshart69

Mike is right about aspartame, but just because there have been no conclusive studies in rats doesn't mean that you should go apeshit with the stuff and assume it's fine for you. Try taking the dose of morphine (in mg/kg, or I guess oz/lb for Keith's liking) we give rats and it will kill you. But all in all, fear of artificial sweetener should be pretty low on the priority list.

Mike is wrong, however, about high fructose corn syrup being the exact same as something like a bunch of dextrose (the "sugar is sugar" debate). Just look at the molecules and you can see they have a different chemical structure. They both have different glycemic indexes. I'm not saying that fructose is inherently unhealthy (it's the sugar found in fruit for godsakes), but it is metabolized somewhat differently than dextrose. All sugar Calories are not equal. Studies have shown a few differences so far between groups that consume glucose vs. fructose, but nothing sensational.

*for anyone that doesn't know, glucose and dextrose are the same thing

"Sugar is sugar", I assume, refers to meaning that 1g of fructose provides the equal amount of calories (four) as 1g sucrose or 1g glucose or 1g of lactose or 1g of galactose. Different sugars likely do illicit different responses from the body, but I've not done any research on that subject because it is not very pertinent to bodybuilding. Starting to exclude types of sugar is splitting way too many hairs.

The bitter truth about fructose alarmism. | Alan Aragon's Blog
This article is more about fructose in general because there seems to be a panic in the bodybuilding and dieting community about fructose (idiots saying that fruit is bad... lol wtf?). It does however hit high fructose corn syrup a bit and provides links to studies of HFCS. Main thing to take away from the article is that HFCS is nearly structurally and functionally identical to sucrose (table sugar). HFCS illicits the same hormonal responses as sucrose.
No differences in satiety or energy intake af... [Am J Clin Nutr. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI
High-fructose corn syrup, energy intake, and ... [Am J Clin Nutr. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI

It's quite unfair to blame HFCS for the rise in obesity in the last 30 years. To do so you'd have to ignore that from 1970 to 2007 calorie intake has increased by 600 and from 1988 to 2006 physical activity has decreased by 10%. Those are more indicative of a problem than HFCS.

[BrianAlt]

Originally Posted by Astigos

As long as you all understand that I eat it BY CHOICE.

Since you insist, I'll believe you.

[Astigos]

Originally Posted by BrianAlt

Since you insist, I'll believe you.

That is such the oddest thing to be nitpicking. Losing fat is hard enough. I wouldn't supplement the difficulty by eating crappy food. That's why I never ate a single salad when I was dieting. Fuck that garbage.

[BrianAlt]

What? I'm nitpicking? You were the one that insisted you didn't say these things.

How am I nitpicking?

[Astigos]

Originally Posted by BrianAlt

What? I'm nitpicking? You were the one that insisted you didn't say these things.

How am I nitpicking?

I'm lost.

[BrianAlt]

Originally Posted by Astigos

I'm lost.

Makes two of us, dude. Continued success with the body toning.

[skeetshart69]

Originally Posted by Astigos

It's quite unfair to blame HFCS for the rise in obesity in the last 30 years. To do so you'd have to ignore that from 1970 to 2007 calorie intake has increased by 600 and from 1988 to 2006 physical activity has decreased by 10%. Those are more indicative of a problem than HFCS.

Hey man. I was very careful to say that there hasn't been anything exceptional to come out of sugar type studies. There have been small differences in some studies, but I agree that you can't pin the massive obesity epidemic on HFCS. My main point is that 1g of dextrose is not the same as 1g of fructose. It's like saying that 1g of omega3 fatty acids is the same as 1g of omega6 fatty acids.