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Michael's Servant 04-13-2015 12:00 AM

2162: Kissing & Screaming
with Farah Brook – KISS ME NYC; Jackie Martling calls; Farah vs. her boyfriends’ moms; new poll results regarding transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox

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invader 04-13-2015 04:26 AM

Are there inherent differences in strength between men and women?

Do those inherent differences make it unfair for men and women to compete against each other in strength based competition?

Does hormone therapy that a trans-person goes through erase this previously unfair advantage?

Three simple questions that would solve the debate.

In the interview with Fallon, she talks about being physically weaker but nothing really quantifable. Also she does have a background in competitive high school wrestling which is a great base for mixed martial arts. Finally if Danny and Keith both trained for a year, Danny would still have a clear advantage because of age. And the amount of testosterone his body produces at his age.

89vision 04-13-2015 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by Apia (Post 841811)
I really don't enjoy the " joke man", the annoys me and I always try to fast forward. For me, it's really enought of him.:cool::mad:

I disagree, keep the joke man

KOUNTRY 04-13-2015 11:56 AM

hell no kiss me Farah
Think people a little to damn sensitive these days.

Jack Bastard 04-13-2015 12:01 PM

It sounds like K and C need a vacation from each other. Every now and then, the fundamental differences between them, as people, really comes out and makes for a...less than fun episode.

And as this is a criticism of the show, I guess I'll probably go fuck myself now.

Professor Subterfuge 04-13-2015 12:06 PM

I'd like to see the following poll:

Is it possible to be pro-trans AND think Fallon Fox, (on some level, no matter how small) has an unfair advantage?

When a person announces they identify as another gender that change should be instant in our minds. As for the actual biology, this takes time. We know that Female to Male trans don't go full operation. Mostly because the procedure or science isn't in.

Unless we have concrete evidence that the biology of a trans woman is completely altered, (with no lingering male traits/ advantages) I have to assume that common sense combined with all the MMA people who are talking about how unfair this is, (not only unfair, but brutal - Fallon has made an absolute mess of her opponents) I have to say that I'm pro-trans, pro-Fallon living as a woman, but too much evidence points to her not fighting as one.

It sounds awful, but so is an unfair advantage. ESPECIALLY in a competition as absolutely fucking brutal, as MMA.

KOUNTRY 04-13-2015 12:14 PM

Of course not totally valid view ��

John Harvey 04-13-2015 02:32 PM

The most interesting thing about today's show was that Danny is 6'2". Wtf. Posture, man, get some.

Hearing Keith and Chemda argue with all their nonscience was fruitless though. Three thoughts - I think Chemda is defensive about this understandably because of her relationship with Lauren. I think that Keith needs to learn when to drop something because based on the room, he totally lost this argument. I think that both genders should be able to fight each other anyway but the gals should be able to go for eyes and ball-shots to make up for the fact they could be KO'd in one hit by BIG STRONG MAN.

But back to the important issue - Danny needs to stand up straight.

Eric M 04-13-2015 02:44 PM

When chemda is dead wrong and just decides that she's right, it makes me sad. The points she makes are invalid. We're talking about maintaining the integrity of competition. Not about this persons life struggle.

John Harvey 04-13-2015 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Eric M (Post 841830)
When chemda is dead wrong and just decides that she's right, it makes me sad. The points she makes are invalid. We're talking about maintaining the integrity of competition. Not about this persons life struggle.

I think the problem is, when you're talking about issues of compassion vs issues around pure competition, it's impossible not to look like an asshole if you're arguing against compassion.

I consider myself a trans ally but I think it's not appropriate for trans people to compete in gender-divided physical competition. It just isn't.

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