2406: Thoughts No Prayers

[Sparrow]

they're out there for sure.

something else that we haven't addressed, and one of my concerns, is the terrorist watch list. that you can be put on it without due process or being informed. who has oversight to define what that means and how that meaning evolves; are we being sound when we give that list powers that negate constitutional entitlements. can we also use that reasoning to curtail, say, 4th amendment rights for political dissidents for causes that are good and true later on down the road.

[DaveNJ]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

they're out there for sure.

something else that we haven't addressed, and one of my concerns, is the terrorist watch list. that you can be put on it without due process or being informed. who has oversight to define what that means and how that meaning evolves; are we being sound when we give that list powers that negate constitutional entitlements. can we also use that reasoning to curtail, say, 4th amendment rights for political dissidents for causes that are good and true later on down the road.

That's a really bad one. I'm old enough to remember when the PATRIOT Act and terrorist watch lists were considered a bad thing. The list apparently has hundreds of thousands of names on it.

Honestly, even people who want better gun control should oppose that tack because 1) it won't succeed anyway due to judicial scrutiny and 2) because it will continue to harden the other side (and justifiably). It's a dumb Hail Mary that won't even work.

[My Sweaty Balls]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

false dichotomy.

all people who own high powered rifles aren't crazy terrorists. it's a shame you see it that way. and it is one of the problems.

Straw man fallacy

I don't see every owner of a hight powered rifle as a crazy terrorist - I do see them being responsible for the extraordinary number of gun related deaths in the USA, not the same thing.

In fact I support gun ownership. For instance a bolt action deer rifle is fine, or a double barrel shotgun. But there are weapons, like the AR15 and handguns, that have only one purpose, killing humans. These should be banned.

[My Sweaty Balls]

Originally Posted by kaligula

I'm on team gun control, like you. Does that bring down your argument?

Yes - I take it back, I'm pro mass shootings now

I'm also on team "facts and cooperation" rather than "prideful ignorance and chimp-like tribalism", so at least we're opposed there.

Sorry I misrepresented you - can you explain the sour apple skittles again?

[Sparrow]

super neat, old school tactics happening right now. check it

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