Keith: How's that Scientology show coming along?

[CuriousKlepto]

Originally Posted by Loki74

Thats what you think... but I heard on the internets that the KATG Elite were planning to take over the world at one point, but then came a great rift and members had to choose sides... thus were created 2 opposing clans... The Tatttooed and the Branded... they are now locked in an internal struggle over the fate of the KATG community... thats why soo many hate Mike the Intern, because he is the break-away leader of the Branded ....... Or something like that

Hahahahaha, People following Mike the Intern! That's hilarious.

[DudeEMETIB]

Originally Posted by Loki74

Well actually, many people have tried and it has taken hundreds of years until we could have a sectarian society

Exactly, you're supporting my point, a ton of exposes on one of the world's major religions isn't going to put a tiny dent on them, it'll be a few hundred years before Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or Hinduism become labeled "mythology" along with the beliefs of the Norse, Romans, Greeks and Egyptians.

Originally Posted by Loki74

Perhaps the Scientologist will also in a few hundred years... Jesus started with a handful of believers so anything is possible... he was seen as a dangerous nut by some of his contemporaries at the time

...again I'm not sure where you're getting at, you're supporting my point still.
We know that Scientology is a fraudulent, malicious cult. Since it's not yet on the scales of the main world religions, since we can expose it now while it's in its infancy, we can prevent it becoming something larger in a few hundred years....yes Jesus started with his 12 friends with benefits, and if he were actually extorting people, charging them, and silencing those who stopped following him and if the people who were aware of that exposed him, we wouldn't have Christianity as a big religion today, or as a religion at all.

Originally Posted by Loki74

And in 300 years, that will be forgotten, just like the "Lost Gospels" that were conveniently lost or ignored by the church to suit their agenda (see the Gnostic gospels).

-Yes in 300 years they would probably ignore that fact or forget that it was all based on the ideas of a Fiction author who admitted the religion to be bullshit, but that's the point, we expose now, try to stop now, so that there isn't even a "in 300 years" for Scientology.

Originally Posted by Loki74

Well the church did make some serious $ selling Absolutions, indulgences and relics of saints to its faithful followers for quite a few years

What any other religion has done is irrelevant to what Scientology is doing now, we can't stop the Catholic Church from being crooks 300+ years ago.
We CAN try do so something about Scientology now.

Originally Posted by Loki74

Some of the big 4 religious communities still practice a form of this... and historically, one would be cast out of their community for speaking out against or leaving their faith.

Again, historically, none of that matters, you can't punish a Church today for something they did decades or centuries ago. Also there's a big difference between you doing something and your local church not accepting you (which even then, that type of stuff is rare unless you're in a shit country or in a rural area) and again. I don't think if I'm a Catholic, and start talking about how shitty Catholicism is and that I'm gay and I'm pro-abortion and that I think this this and that...that the Catholic Church would personally send goons to deal with me, or personally black mail me, telling me to shut up or they'll reveal some secret of mine that they took from me.

You're comparing apples to oranges dude.

Originally Posted by Loki74

At best you can slow the tide of new members, but as long as people have need of hope and are willing to pay for a sense of belonging and a place in some kind of better after-life, new religions/sects/cults/groups will continue to form.

I'm not attempting to prevent new philosophies, new religions, new "cults", I'm trying to stop a criminal institution. Scientology is not just a "new religion" it's not like I'm going after a new hippie philosophy, Scientology has ruined the lives of many people, yes as well as given some people a new religion and a new hope. But if that kind facade hides an ugly truth, I think that truth needs to be exposed. And, maybe at best that's what can be done, or maybe you can shut down churches of Scientology that are linked with crime. Maybe you can openly expose it and have people completely reject it....maybe..either way, if any action is going to be taken to stop it, it ought to be done now, before it's too large a church to deal with.

Originally Posted by Loki74

Absolutely, most religions were seen as cults in their beginning, turned into religions and as they were replaced with newer religions, turned into mythology...

Yeah...and for that reason we should leave Scientology alone?
Um...no.

[RoundAbout]

Originally Posted by Keith

there's no intimidating that has worked

Sincere thanks for caring.

There has been intimidating?

[hayroob]

Originally Posted by RoundAbout

There has been intimidating?

I believe they've been getting emails with viruses and other dumb shit.

[RoundAbout]

Originally Posted by hayroob

I believe they've been getting emails with viruses and other dumb shit.

Oh right.

[Loki74]

Originally Posted by DudeEMETIB

Exactly, you're supporting my point, a ton of exposes on one of the world's major religions isn't going to put a tiny dent on them, it'll be a few hundred years before Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or Hinduism become labeled "mythology" along with the beliefs of the Norse, Romans, Greeks and Egyptians.



...again I'm not sure where you're getting at, you're supporting my point still.
We know that Scientology is a fraudulent, malicious cult. Since it's not yet on the scales of the main world religions, since we can expose it now while it's in its infancy, we can prevent it becoming something larger in a few hundred years....yes Jesus started with his 12 friends with benefits, and if he were actually extorting people, charging them, and silencing those who stopped following him and if the people who were aware of that exposed him, we wouldn't have Christianity as a big religion today, or as a religion at all.



-Yes in 300 years they would probably ignore that fact or forget that it was all based on the ideas of a Fiction author who admitted the religion to be bullshit, but that's the point, we expose now, try to stop now, so that there isn't even a "in 300 years" for Scientology.




What any other religion has done is irrelevant to what Scientology is doing now, we can't stop the Catholic Church from being crooks 300+ years ago.
We CAN try do so something about Scientology now.





Again, historically, none of that matters, you can't punish a Church today for something they did decades or centuries ago. Also there's a big difference between you doing something and your local church not accepting you (which even then, that type of stuff is rare unless you're in a shit country or in a rural area) and again. I don't think if I'm a Catholic, and start talking about how shitty Catholicism is and that I'm gay and I'm pro-abortion and that I think this this and that...that the Catholic Church would personally send goons to deal with me, or personally black mail me, telling me to shut up or they'll reveal some secret of mine that they took from me.

You're comparing apples to oranges dude.




I'm not attempting to prevent new philosophies, new religions, new "cults", I'm trying to stop a criminal institution. Scientology is not just a "new religion" it's not like I'm going after a new hippie philosophy, Scientology has ruined the lives of many people, yes as well as given some people a new religion and a new hope. But if that kind facade hides an ugly truth, I think that truth needs to be exposed. And, maybe at best that's what can be done, or maybe you can shut down churches of Scientology that are linked with crime. Maybe you can openly expose it and have people completely reject it....maybe..either way, if any action is going to be taken to stop it, it ought to be done now, before it's too large a church to deal with.




Yeah...and for that reason we should leave Scientology alone?
Um...no.

You have clearly misunderstood my post... I am NOT defending Scientology or saying to leave them alone....

To put into very simple terms, if you think that Scientology is any worse than most of the already established religions then you are an idiot! All the things that you accuse Scientologists of doing have been done and are still being done by current religions.... So I'm saying that the institution of religion leads to abuse and greed of all kinds

And yes there are good people who are religious or scientologist so dont bother with that argument.... Group mentality often leads to bullying and people acting for "a greater good" that persecutes others.... Scientology and currently accepted Religions are the EXACT SAME in the way they rum... just the name and rituals are different.

[Kaptain K]

Originally Posted by Keith

It's fair to ask. We're just into a lot of shit that I haven't been able to do all the research I wanted yet. We're winding things down though, book-wise and what-not. But rest assured, there's no intimidating that has worked, I'm still following the hoopla (more and more people starting to speak out), and I'm as excited as you are.

Sincere thanks for caring.

I was honestly worried that SciFags had hit you with legal threats and outright intimidation. It's not the least bit uncommon for them to do that kind of thing to people who even casually criticize Scientology in a public way.

I can't wait

[DudeEMETIB]

Originally Posted by Loki74

You have clearly misunderstood my post... I am NOT defending Scientology or saying to leave them alone....

-If that wasn't your point, then I'm sorry for misunderstanding you
but that is really what it seemed you were trying to do.

Originally Posted by Loki74

And yes there are good people who are religious or scientologist so dont bother with that argument.... Group mentality often leads to bullying and people acting for "a greater good" that persecutes others.... Scientology and currently accepted Religions are the EXACT SAME in the way they rum... just the name and rituals are different.

I don't think you can say the currently accepted religions are the EXACT SAME in the way they are run, that sounds like almost dismissive of analysis
Like when people who don't want to bother learning about a political party or politician and says "bah they're all the same thing" - it's an ignorant and unsubstantiated statement.

But nonetheless, if religion A can be effected by exposing it, it doesn't matter what similarities it has to religion B, C, or D. Your points were irrelevant if not opposing the idea of exposing Scientology.

-Side note, have you read Dianetics? It's lol

[Loki74]

Originally Posted by DudeEMETIB

-If that wasn't your point, then I'm sorry for misunderstanding you
but that is really what it seemed you were trying to do.





I don't think you can say the currently accepted religions are the EXACT SAME in the way they are run, that sounds like almost dismissive of analysis
Like when people who don't want to bother learning about a political party or politician and says "bah they're all the same thing" - it's an ignorant and unsubstantiated statement.

But nonetheless, if religion A can be effected by exposing it, it doesn't matter what similarities it has to religion B, C, or D. Your points were irrelevant if not opposing the idea of exposing Scientology.

-Side note, have you read Dianetics? It's lol

Well you are correct that they are not EXACTLY the same, but simmilar enough to apply the same judgments to all. Think of it as comparing Apples to Oranges... It can be done since both are a type of fruit... not the exact same fruit but close enough in a universal way that one can compare structure, texture and taste, and different enough that one can clearly state that apples are better than oranges or vice versa. Same with religions/sects/cults... they all have the same basic intrinsic traits and structure, but the details, wording and histories differ.

[Grapist]

We get it, you are a pretentiious self righteous atheist. Geez!!

Originally Posted by Loki74

You have clearly misunderstood my post... I am NOT defending Scientology or saying to leave them alone....

To put into very simple terms, if you think that Scientology is any worse than most of the already established religions then you are an idiot! All the things that you accuse Scientologists of doing have been done and are still being done by current religions.... So I'm saying that the institution of religion leads to abuse and greed of all kinds

And yes there are good people who are religious or scientologist so dont bother with that argument.... Group mentality often leads to bullying and people acting for "a greater good" that persecutes others.... Scientology and currently accepted Religions are the EXACT SAME in the way they rum... just the name and rituals are different.

Originally Posted by Loki74

Well you are correct that they are not EXACTLY the same, but simmilar enough to apply the same judgments to all. Think of it as comparing Apples to Oranges... It can be done since both are a type of fruit... not the exact same fruit but close enough in a universal way that one can compare structure, texture and taste, and different enough that one can clearly state that apples are better than oranges or vice versa. Same with religions/sects/cults... they all have the same basic intrinsic traits and structure, but the details, wording and histories differ.