1237: Bad Egg

[Rabbit]

Originally Posted by ohhhhhdavid

I mean i am sure god doesnt exist, i just have no way of proving it. i just have faith in my lack of faith. hence agnostic.

why are you trying to take this poll away from me? without jesus, its all i have in life.

I think that makes you an atheist...

[siric]

Considering the only proof we have that an all powerful being exists is a 3,000 year old novel, anyone who believes in an all powerful invisible man in the sky is a retard. Seriously.

And before anyone asks, I have already come to grips with the fact that I was raised by retards and live in a state that was founded by gullible retards.

[DWarrior]

Originally Posted by ohhhhhdavid

I mean i am sure god doesnt exist, i just have no way of proving it. i just have faith in my lack of faith. hence agnostic.

why are you trying to take this poll away from me? without jesus, its all i have in life.

Atheist says "there is no god" because there is no evidence to show otherwise and god isn't necessary to explain what exists. But it's wrong to call this faith because then everything relies on faith, and thus "faith" becomes a meaningless concept. If you define faith this broadly, every time you go to open a fridge, you have faith that you're opening a fridge.

A rational agnostic would say "it is wrong to assume God neither exists or doesn't exist because knowledge of God is beyond human comprehension." This is not at all the same as "I can't disprove it, therefore I'll believe it," because by that logic you're going to be agnostic about everything but deductive conclusions, which restricts your knowledge to a very tiny set (your agnosticism gets you Math and some trivial stuff out of puzzle books, but no way to apply them in the real world because you don't get inductive logic).

To a rational agnostic, an atheist would argue, again, that we can safely assume God does not exist because it's not a necessary assumption to elegantly explain observable phenomena. That, and you don't have to waste your Sundays. To explain the origin of The Bible, it is not necessary to assume God, it can more elegantly be explained by the need of society to have a working set of morals that can easily be conveyed to the masses, and as a bonus this would also explain the contradictions within it.

[The King of Awesome]

Originally Posted by siric

Considering the only proof we have that an all powerful being exists is a 3,000 year old novel, anyone who believes in an all powerful invisible man in the sky is a retard. Seriously.

And before anyone asks, I have already come to grips with the fact that I was raised by retards and live in a state that was founded by gullible retards.

This is why atheists are despised by a lot of people. You can't just not believe and go about your regular business, you have to say that everyone who is religious is an idiot. I am atheist, but I am not going to go judge people who are religious. If I were to judge people based on which higher power they believed in, then that's really no different than people who do believe in a higher power - and then you have no right to look down on them, which makes you a hypocrite.

Let religious people be religious, and let your own religious views be your own - no need to force them onto others. You're not atheist because you want to brag about it to others, right?

[Junkenstein]

Atheists are despised by people? Really?

The majority of people are religious or spiritual but i noticed how atheism is kinda the new hip lately.

If you peek at any "cool" library, they're filled with Dawkins stuff....

It kinda annoys me that i took years of guilt and neurosis to reach my actual atheist convintion and i look around and i see all those pseudo emo hipstger kids who say "Duh Dude god is dead. Didnt you read Nietzsche or Ayn Rand?"

Yes, litlle prick now let me rip your piercing off your nose.

[The King of Awesome]

Originally Posted by Junkenstein

Atheists are despised by people? Really

Absolutely. Most religious people have had at least one or two experiences where an atheist felt compelled to insult them for their religious beliefs, and most of the religious people who have had that experience are not the types to insult others for not following their particular belief.

Imagine if you were religious (if you aren't), and someone said to you, personally, that you're an idiot because you believe in some magical man in the sky who created the earth in seven days. A lot of atheists feel like it's ok to be so rude to people about some very personal beliefs, since, when they oversimplify religion like that, it sounds ridiculous.

[Junkenstein]

yeah i see that, and that's a reason for my own pet peeve against cocky atheists.

It's like fake anarchists, they put shame ona a whole pretty reasonable movement because they use it to be cocky and judgemental.

same words can be applied to religion, yes.

Assholes are assholes, if they're religious or non-religious., The spite applied by devoted christians is the exact one that snarky atheists have.

[Carruthers]

Originally Posted by DWarrior

If God/supreme being exists, it's pretty damn important to learn what it's like because...it's the fucking supreme being!

I think that just means it might be important. If it doesn't really care whether you believe in it or not (being supremely self-assured about its own existence and supremely indifferent about its creation's beliefs in it) then it's supreme-beinghood might not matter.

But if it does care then, yeah, you should maybe hedge your bets. The worst that can happen then is what it does if it doesn't like suck-ups.

Originally Posted by DWarrior

Plus the whole stuff-happening-for-eternity thing.

Depends on which particular supreme-being though? I'm not sure they all come with the same threat-package, do they? Dunno - just arskin'.

[DWarrior]

Originally Posted by Carruthers

I think that just means it might be important. If it doesn't really care whether you believe in it or not (being supremely self-assured about its own existence and supremely indifferent about its creation's beliefs in it) then it's supreme-beinghood might not matter.

But if it does care then, yeah, you should maybe hedge your bets. The worst that can happen then is what it does if it doesn't like suck-ups.

Whether or not it cares doesn't really matter. If it exists, it'd be important for the same reason any other science is important (rocks, animals, particles, space don't care if you believe in them, that doesn't make their study unnecessary), or at least it'd be important to conclude that we cannot study it.

Depends on which particular supreme-being though? I'm not sure they all come with the same threat-package, do they? Dunno - just arskin'.

Sure, but if it exists, we should find out if it's gonna do stuff to us for infinity.

[The King of Awesome]

Originally Posted by Lord of the Cock Rings

The vast majority of them do not respect MY beliefs, why should I respect theirs?

Because you see a problem with their behavior and you want to be a better person?