1379: Osama bin Laden is Dead

[Blitzgal]

Originally Posted by djgray1200

Oreos = vegan

Gross, you're right! I thought cookies have eggs and milk in them so they couldn't be vegan. I haven't had Oreos since I was a kid; good thing I lost the taste for them.

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by Blitzgal

I KNOW I've already had this discussion with you, but part of this perception is because we focus on violence committed by Muslims and ignore the huge amount of violence committed by non-Muslims. For example, the Southern Poverty Law Center reports that since 2008 there were 22 domestic attacks involving far right extremists. There were 7 involving Muslims, all occurring in 2009. The problem is that the media tend to ignore far right extremists. For instance, are you aware that a white supremacist tried to blow up an MLK day parade in Washington? The story was barely covered. But everyone knows about the kid who tried to blow up the Christmas tree.

Maybe not the greatest point considering that's an examination of America. Those other 15 attacks were probably done by Christians, but the ratio of attacks to religious population of America probably isn't out of whack, whereas domestic acts of terrorism being committed by Muslims is likely greater than the percentage of that religious group of the whole. (I wouldn't know, you didn't provide a link, but that's what I'm guessing.) There are problems with trying to draw conclusions from that as well, because it is more likely for minorities of a population to commit acts of violence than the majority, I think, given an increased likelihood of cultural alienation or dissimilarity.

I think Junk is going a little far in what he's saying, but it seems to me that he is trying to at least say Islam is a motivational factor in many cases of terrorism, which is fair to say, I think. It's not like when Irgun was blowing up Arab civilians with bombs planted in cafes and markets their Judaism had absolutely nothing to do with it.

[Junkenstein]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

I think Junk is going a little far in what he's saying, but it seems to me that he is trying to at least say Islam is a motivational factor in many cases of terrorism, which is fair to say, I think. It's not like when Irgun was blowing up Arab civilians with bombs planted in cafes and markets their Judaism had absolutely nothing to do with it.

yeah, exactly. i think a good match for religious fundamentalists could be the conspiracy brigade. They're the one that feel most likelòy to blow up stuff to defeat the "NWO".

[myq]

Originally Posted by Junkenstein

it seems to be the religion that can shape people into terrorist more easily.

Did someone already cover the issue that Muslims are a gigantic percentage of the world population, so the fact that there are more Muslim crazies may just be proportionate? Has anyone counted how many of them there are compared to the whole, versus the corresponding ratio of IRA terrorists, or abortion clinic-bombers or Christians dragging gays behind their trucks (some of which is different but still religiously-motivated killing, not related to Islam).

Originally Posted by Medium Brumski

I don't understand the idea towards the end of the show that being vegan is automatically healthier then not. You can eat shit food either way, it's just easier to eat crap if you can eat anything. It's not like if you took a vegan pasta recipe, and added some milk and chicken breast it would be worse for you. You can be plenty healthy either way.

I don't know what we said exactly to make you respond like this. I certainly know it's not automatically healthier, and in fact being vegan requires more vigilance to make sure you DO get all the nutrients and vitamins you need, which is why most vegans ARE healthier in practice than most non-vegetarians, I would say. The majority of Americans are obese omnivores, and the majority of vegans are healthier than that, because once you decide to do it, most of the time you decide to do it correctly. Not that there aren't people eating meat healthily.

Originally Posted by Blitzgal

Gross, you're right! I thought cookies have eggs and milk in them so they couldn't be vegan. I haven't had Oreos since I was a kid; good thing I lost the taste for them.

I just had some Paul Newman peanut butter-filled Oreos. You should get your taste back. Healthy!

Originally Posted by Junkenstein

speaking of lighter issues: MYQ WILL DO THE COMMENTARY TRACK? AWESOME!!!

Originally Posted by rodimusprime

Seriously that's going to be awesome!

Also Myq I don't only speak in Transformers metaphors like I'm some sort of Dinobot who doesn't know he's stuck on a prehistoric island. Can you imagine?

I think I can't imagine. Or can. One of those. My apologies, or thanks. Whichever one you want. Or don't have. Or do. Good?

PS I think it's awesome that you guys think it's awesome. Also I think it's awesome. Awe-all, even. Or at least awe-most.

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by myq

Did someone already cover the issue that Muslims are a gigantic percentage of the world population, so the fact that there are more Muslim crazies may just be proportionate? Has anyone counted how many of them there are compared to the whole, versus the corresponding ratio of IRA terrorists, or abortion clinic-bombers or Christians dragging gays behind their trucks (some of which is different but still religiously-motivated killing, not related to Islam).

Considering both are violent religions I don't know how much that comparison would show.

Also the cultures of the areas are different. I'd argue that if Christian terrorism is proportionately less it is because of the values Western culture has retained from the Enlightenment, not because of the religion itself, and if the West was Islamic there wouldn't be a significant increase in terrorism from the West.

[Medium Brumski]

What percentage of atheists or agnostics become terrorists?

Originally Posted by myq

I don't know what we said exactly to make you respond like this. I certainly know it's not automatically healthier, and in fact being vegan requires more vigilance to make sure you DO get all the nutrients and vitamins you need, which is why most vegans ARE healthier in practice than most non-vegetarians, I would say. The majority of Americans are obese omnivores, and the majority of vegans are healthier than that, because once you decide to do it, most of the time you decide to do it correctly. Not that there aren't people eating meat healthily.

Couple things in particular I remember being said on the show: Chemda asking if Zach became vegan because it's healthier, as if that were inherently true, and you said one of your vegan friends simply says "Health" when asked why he's vegan.

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by Medium Brumski

What percentage of atheists or agnostics become terrorists?

I don't know that that is effectively measurable (or, at least, accurately measurable), considering three factors: 1) a percentage of terrorism from a religion's population is already incredibly small, 2) atheists and agnostics comprise comparatively very small religious groups, 3) the difference between self-identification and actual beliefs; I maintain that a large portion of people who self-identify as Christian are actually more agnostic or deist than Christian, but call themselves Christian because it is what they know and are familiar with.

I doubt there are sufficient compiled statistics anyway, but that is my speculation.

[Junkenstein]

Originally Posted by Medium Brumski

What percentage of atheists or agnostics become terrorists?.

political terrorists, anarchist terrorists, eco terrorists often have no religious belief. Still, that type of terrorism has notably decreased in modern time.

religion is a powerful tool of indoctrination and to fill people with enough fervor to make them do a terrrorist act. and all religions have that powers, christianity too. the main issue with islam is that it is the one that is higly diffues into zones with lots opf desperation, where recruiters are often also imamams and quote bits of the Qran that sound very close to bellicose slogans.

[dEadERest]

Originally Posted by myq

Or at least awe-most.

cringe-worthy

Originally Posted by Junkenstein

and all religions have that powers, christianity too.

bhuddism?


. . ok, maybe 1 . .

[Junkenstein]

Originally Posted by dEadERest

cringe-worthy
bhuddism?


. . ok, maybe 1 . .

well almost all.

(i wont start saying how buddhism isnt a religion but a philosophy, cause i aint that much of an asshole)