1389: Ask Keith

[Tech007]

Originally Posted by punk'n

I heard on NPR this morning that the detectives on the scene questioned the maid repeatedly and they reported that her allegations seemed real. She was also interviewed by Special Victims Unit (eeep! I can't wait for the "ripped-from-the-headlines episode!) and they also thought she was legit. Who knows what happened, but those detectives are trained to sniff out a liar and squash it.

Not bad for an afternoons work. Even got to him at his scheduled flight. "JUST IN TIME" "Take tomorrow off Novak"

Junk - I agree to 'safe but sorry" but find the process inhumane and a violation of basic human rights to fair justice. The scales have tipped too far to one side of the balance. Look at all the male teachers accused of fondling and rape only to be victims of false accusations. Does that I mean you can't claim rape? No, just both sides of the courtroom deserve some rights to fairness.

We'll see how this goes. The fact remains that the damage has been done. If he did - lock him up. If he didn't do it what say you then? "Oopsy?"

oh crap , just saw the HIV headlines...nice touch.

[Junkenstein]

Originally Posted by Tech007

Junk - I agree to 'safe but sorry" but find the process inhumane and a violation of basic human rights to fair justice. The scales have tipped too far to one side of the balance. Look at all the male teachers accused of fondling and rape only to be victims of false accusations. Does that I mean you can't claim rape? No, just both sides of the courtroom deserve some rights to fairness. .

true, still this type of accusations drive the media nuts, especially if its a politician (unless it's in italy and said person is the prime minister and actually pays minors for sex, then its all fine and dandy). It kinda has to be expected, a man in such a position calls for crucifiction, and should be more careful with aht he does and whom he meets.

fairness isnt allowed to public figures, even less wehen sex abuse is involved.

also, and i know i'm being unpopular with these, i always have a HARD time believing in the concept of "false" accusation of rape, unless it means there was no sexual act at all between the two people.

If a girl had sex with a person and decided that she wanted to accuse him, that means the consensual aspect was lacking, hence it IS rape. even if she just changed her mind afterwards.

still, id rather discuss this with a person that does like you do and takes both views into account than the usual "you either agree or you love rape" siscussion im seeing here. Sorry Bob, that "pro rapist" thing was just stupid


ADD: yeah the hiv thing is sleazy. but had to be expected.

[Blitzgal]

Originally Posted by Tech007

Look at all the male teachers accused of fondling and rape only to be victims of false accusations.

Such a strong assertion needs citation, my friend. Like I said in a previous thread, we have a local teacher here who just pled "no contest" to sexual contact with 11 of his female students, and even then there are people in the community who are defending his actions and making claims about how the girls must have seduced him.

I don't understand the allegations that he is being treated any differently than any other accused criminal by the justice system itself. The media is treating him differently because of his public stature. That is obviously irrefutable. But the justice system does not equal the media.

He was not granted bail because the court has determined that he will in fact flee the country to avoid prosecution. That really isn't up for debate at this point, either, since he was arrested on a plane.

[Fourbid]

Originally Posted by Lord of the Cock Rings

I hope this is a language barrier thing because that is PRE POST ER OUS!


If I give you an item from my home and later decide to accuse you of stealing it, is that thievery?

If a tree falls down in a forest and no one's around to hear it, does it make a sound?

[Junkenstein]

Originally Posted by Lord of the Cock Rings

I hope this is a language barrier thing because that is PRE POST ER OUS!


If I give you an item from my home and later decide to accuse you of stealing it, is that thievery?

you do realize that ISNT the same thing? (yes you do)

rape doesnt have to necessarily include assault to be rape. If the actual consent isnt there, it falls into the definition of rape. If someone re-thinks their encounter and descides that was a forced sexual encounter, the consent lacks to be there and it IS rape.

of course there are different degrees and shades. still, if a person (notice i did not say "guy") is pushged with any means (whether its altering substances or psychological manipulation likie "i could have you fired") into a sexual act, it is STILL rape. not on the same level but it still is.

i speak a better english than most here, so no language barrier. still, here's some typos for you to hang on to: raep, sxe, conesnual. There you go, all better.

[Blitzgal]

Originally Posted by Junkenstein

you do realize that ISNT the same thing? (yes you do)

rape doesnt have to necessarily include assault to be rape. If the actual consent isnt there, it falls into the definition of rape. If someone re-thinks their encounter and descides that was a forced sexual encounter, the consent lacks to be there and it IS rape.

I'm feeling a little nervous about how far you take your example (regarding changing your mind the next morning), but I do appreciate the nuance you are giving to the situation because it's true that this is an extremely complicated issue. And in the real world, these kinds of he said/she said situations are very rarely prosecuted let alone result in convictions.

I would actually be fine if shield laws simply blocked the names of both the accuser and the accused when it comes to sex crimes. The media doesn't need to be breathlessly reporting on every detail prior to the trial anyway, because it ruins the jury pool. And in this case, the accuser is getting just as harassed as the accused. People already know who she is and where she lives.

[Blitzgal]

Also, French people have no reason to be surprised about this, because this guy has a clear history of the exact same abusive behavior against several other women:

Strauss-Kahn's Womanizing: Why France Was Silent About It - TIME

[Lanfear]

Originally Posted by Junkenstein

rape doesnt have to necessarily include assault to be rape. If the actual consent isnt there, it falls into the definition of rape. If someone re-thinks their encounter and descides that was a forced sexual encounter, the consent lacks to be there and it IS rape.

I fully agree with the no consent = rape but are kidding with the let me rethink it the next day?
If consent was given while you were of reasonable sound mind you can't decide the next day that it was rape!

[Junkenstein]

Originally Posted by Lanfear

I fully agree with the no consent = rape but are kidding with the let me rethink it the next day?
If consent was given while you were of reasonable sound mind you can't decide the next day that it was rape!

it was more meant as "if a victim after an experience has the feeling that she was manipulated into giving consent with verbal threrats or fear of possible retaliation by the man (like "if you dont sleep with me i will make your life difficult and get you fired") she can say it was rape even if there was no assault or physical attack". And if she goes as far as denouncing what happened to the cops and even the media, it also means that the sexual encounter wasnt that consensual.

[bikertom]

For some reason this podcast really made me think about a few things.

1. I think the emergency contact system needs to have a text based app that includes location information. So you can send a quick simple text to police like “Rape”, it includes your GPS coordinates and phone info. That way you can report a crime without being obvious (thought of this one during the Accused segment).

2. I think Keith’s spoiler payback is probably more effective than initially suspected, how much do you want to bet the Gamespot nerd told his nerd friends at the theater about the ending of Thor right before they sat down? It just keeps on giving

3. Let’s revise punishments to crimes so they include modifiers…
1. Torturing a child = 5 years in jail
2. x2 for genital contact
3. x2 for sexual intent
4. x2 if it’s your child
5. x2 for assult
6. x2 for imprisonment