1391: All That Glitters

[bofadeeznizzles]

Originally Posted by unohisname

Ok I disagree with and Keith about the fact that us black people.Need to feel for the gays.As we should understand because of the straight white man trying to keep us down.I had someone in boot camp come up with this same idea.To me that doesn't make sense we r not the only ones that were oppressed by white man.There is also the gays,middle eastern,Jews and woman.Just to name a few.So for us this is not the same.U wasn't having gays whipped for 200 yrs.It just they can't get married and people say mean things to them.So I don't understand why white ppl say that we should understand.So now that we r free we should be humble to others who r oppressed by white man.No black ppl as a whole r very homophobic it is what we r.So they just aren't the same and for anyone to say other wise would be wrong to me.

You're fucking killing me man... I don't even know where to start.

[dEadERest]

Originally Posted by bofadeeznizzles

You're fucking killing me man... I don't even know where to start.

if it were me i'd start here:

Originally Posted by unohisname

us black people.Need to feel for the gays.As we should understand

[Junkenstein]

Originally Posted by unohisname

It just they can't get married and people say mean things to them..

you know, you're entitled to your own opinion, i guess but that is VERY incorrect, unless you think that homophobia is at the same level in every country.

in most of the world, gays get killed for being gay (and i'm talking about lots of the US too). They got killed in the past, lost jobs, were outcast from society, blocked from everything and had to act like they were straight in order to survive.

it might not be the same as being black, but in both cases it is a characteristic youre born with and ignorant, intolerant people genrally dislike.

Also if you're born gay AND black you will also have to fight against your own people and be even more outcast. i never heaqrd of black people having to paint their face white in order to geta job, or of a "dont ask dont tell policyt on ethnicity".

It isnt the same, but i think anyone who experienced intolerance should AT LEAST try to understand how it feels to be treated like garbage" isnt a reason, dude. I dont go around saying "well white people are racist, thats how we are"

[GossipTGirl]

I don't know, all oppression is connected. Racism is sexism is homophobia is colonialism is... They all suck.

One gay black man could say that racism has caused him more pain than homophobia...but another gay black man could say that he's experienced more homophobia than racism - and what they say is true for them.

The way you experience the world is not the way everyone else experiences the world...how can a black person expect a white person to understand his/her struggle with racism when they are homophobic? They are asking the white person to realize that the way they see/experience the world is not the same way a black person sees/experiences the world.

How can you expect this of other people and then not ask it of yourself? Gay people experience the world differently than straight people.

There is just as much straight privilege as there is white privilege.

It's not fair to say that you have it worse than somebody else or that someone else's oppression doesn't matter unless you have lived their oppression.

[Me_aint_ignant]

I didn't think Chemda was necessarily in the right stopping and confronting a child on a high school blacktop. She shouldn't feel powerful attacking someone who is sixteen, "come on dude.. you can't do that" I kinda just laughed when I heard this, she hears a 16 yr old say "something something dyke" and she feels the need to stop and say something haha

[Junkenstein]

sixteen year olds are evil fucks. that kid shouldve got his nose broken and wouldve deserved it.

if he shouted "nigger" at a balck dude, he would be dead and deserved it.

he wouldve deserved if he was ten. any age. no one has the right to shout insults at others, and if they do they should get a reaction

[unohisname]

"well white people are racist, that's how we are" they do say that.That's not the point I am trying to make. I just don't feel like we should be group together with them.As like o poor gays the classic white guy. takes down another one.Yeah right we r not talking bout other country's here.We r talking bout the US. and in this country modern day.As a whole the main thing we won't give the gays is the right to get married. I agree it should be that way.I mean its like us black people should always feel for the people that r worst off.The gays will be ok at least they can hide being gay.they don't have to be flaming.but I will never hide being black nor should I.The main point I make each battle is their own thing.People should have to think we should help fight for gay right based on our on own past a present.
A other point. in the navy we r getting rid of don't ask don't tell.and u what I am supposed to do.Just shuck it up. If I end up having these gay dudes all come out to us in the navy and sleep next to them.I should be ok.I am not allow to really say anything to them or nothing.And Ik these gays r going to stay to pressing that shit even more now.And soon a male sailor will be about to get married to a other male sailor and we will give them the same rights.I don't like that idea.

[PMD14]

I would imagine that anyone suffering oppression would feel sympathy for another person suffering oppression regardless of the reason they were being oppressed. They would understand how it feels to be treated badly for being different and synpathise with another in the same situation. Of course this musn't be the case. I suppose those hated for being different can also hate for being different.

But what do I know? As a white male, all I have to worry about is feeling guilty for oppressing someone.

[Junkenstein]

yeah ok, i think i follow your point but i think keith's idea was more about understanding being a victim of intolerance. although its not the same type of intolerance.

still, gay people getting killed happens in the US too. Matthew shepherd was american.

[David Batchelor]

Originally Posted by unohisname

to me it like saying gays should be more pro middle eastern as they know what it is like to be discrimination against.

I really like that analogy.