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18 | 16.98% |
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88 | 83.02% |
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You guys are giving Israel waaaaaay too much credit.
I'm not saying Hamas aren't doing bad things now. But you don't have to be some kind of heartless sociopath to get to the point where you're willing to do the things they do. It's a natural human reaction to a life of oppression, brainwashing or not. Before you call people animals or monsters, can we at least acknowledge how the environment that they've been raised in might drive a conscientious human being to the level of desperation that you have to reach in order to fight for Hamas? The vast majority of Palestinians don't have the power to stop either the overpowering force that is Israel, or the Hamas leaders who claim to fight in their name as a result. They're fenced in, they can't leave their country, they have no prospects, anything they build is going to get demolished. What else is there but to lash out? You don't have to have some deep-seated racial or cultural hatred to do these things. Put me in any third-world country where I can't do shit with my own life, and there's another nation keeping me fenced in with 200 armored tanks pointing in my direction, and I don't give a fuck what religion they are, the idea of launching a rocket back over the wall or kidnapping one of their soldiers is gonna sound kind of appealing. If they're "the infidels" then that's just gravy, but religious hatred isn't gonna be the primary motivator. Israel, on the other hand, is supposedly a democracy, yet the people stand idly by as their government commits atrocity after atrocity on innocent civilians. It's not that either of them are any more right or wrong. It's that one side has far more power to stop the bullshit. One side has way more of a choice. And I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing that any nation that continues to drive innocent civilians out of their homes, and persist in keeping up a blockade preventing them from receiving food and medical supplies from humanitarian organizations, simply because a small percentage of them have resorted to terrorism out of sheer desperation, has ever had any real intention of "meeting them halfway". I realize that debating the Israel/Palestine conflict on the internet is about as futile as the actual conflict itself, but when you guys spend that much time talking about it on air, and make that the poll to boot, I can at least say you started it. Last edited by BadDecisionDino; 10-20-2011 at 11:58 PM. |
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I have been banking with a credit union for over 5 years now and I LOVE it!
They're great. I started using them when I went to college and have continued being their customer. They don't have stupid fees or limits like other banks do. I briefly used a major US bank in addition to the credit union for a year and I hated it. I got a fee for having less than $20 in my account, a fee every three months if I didn't have over $200 in my savings account, an overdraft fee, which was then doubled every day I didn't bring my account balance to over $20, it was ridiculous. Sure, there aren't ATMs everywhere with the credit union but if I'm going to need cash (which is rarely if ever, I usually use debit card for everything) I get cash back when I'm at the grocery store or Target. The only inconvenience is if someone pays me with a check (maybe twice a year). I get my paychecks direct deposited. Now some banks are even charging for you to be able to speak with a teller or to use your debit card, it's getting to be too much. I highly recommend small banks and credit unions. On the iPhone factory suicides: to be fair to Apple, Cornell University had suicide nets and fences put up around its campus after a string of suicides a few years ago. Does that mean the government should shut the school down or parents should stop sending the kids to the school? In reality there were a few highly publicized suicides where kids killed themselves in a drastic way (jumping off bridges into gorges) and the suicides were on par with the national average. There have also been a few students who have jumped off the library of NYU. Do they get rid of the library? I'm not condoning what Apple is doing, but when every major manufacturer is doing the same thing and it takes a miracle to pass anything though congress nowadays, how do we change this? To not purchase anything made in these conditions would be to be separate from all technology, the majority of textiles, goods, even food. To completely separate from goods made this way is to most likely live in the woods or on a commune, an option the majority of Americans are unwilling to do. It's good that we are aware of how our products are made, but we need to come up with some solutions on how to change the entire capitalist industry before we can blame one company over another.
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there will never be peace in the middle east. and im not saying this out of some attempt at being an ass or pushing buttons.
i realized this when i heard the interviews made with politcians, activcists or even average people on the BBD newshour coverage of the Gillaad case. it might've been a coincidence, or biased, i dont know. and i possibly do not understand the mentality of people who live there or what theyve gone through. But they do not want peace. they want each their own demands to be met and none of the two has any interest in compromise. also the whole thing has been going on fgor so long that i have the impression that the mentality of the extremists has trickled into the heads of average people too. They arent interested in peace, they will keep fighting until the other part surrenders or is wiped out.
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as a side note: why were americans so criticized when they celebrated Bin Laden's death but these people chant for "triumph and rebellion", while discharging guns in the air and no one seems to be bothered by that?
just saying, im in favour of both celebrations, just curious on where the "you dont celebrate a person's deth are right now" |
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