1481: Change

[Keith]

"Now you can fuck my mom."


Christian Finnegan

[maoglone]

How, as a professional comedian, can Christian Finnegan possibly have no sense of humor?

[Junkenstein]

there will never be peace in the middle east. and im not saying this out of some attempt at being an ass or pushing buttons.

i realized this when i heard the interviews made with politcians, activcists or even average people on the BBD newshour coverage of the Gillaad case. it might've been a coincidence, or biased, i dont know. and i possibly do not understand the mentality of people who live there or what theyve gone through.

But they do not want peace. they want each their own demands to be met and none of the two has any interest in compromise.

also the whole thing has been going on fgor so long that i have the impression that the mentality of the extremists has trickled into the heads of average people too. They arent interested in peace, they will keep fighting until the other part surrenders or is wiped out.

[Junkenstein]

as a side note: why were americans so criticized when they celebrated Bin Laden's death but these people chant for "triumph and rebellion", while discharging guns in the air and no one seems to be bothered by that?

just saying, im in favour of both celebrations, just curious on where the "you dont celebrate a person's deth are right now"

[Keith]

Because a different culture is "their way." No way that can be wrong. We're civilized. That doesn't mean they're animals though...

[Junkenstein]

i swear on whats most sacred: this morning, on a newspaper, ive read an article by a renowned columnist that started with "killing a harmless human being and celebrating degrades humanity, no matter if it's Qaddafi, Bin Laden or Jesus".

this world has too much freedom of speech.

[dori]

I'm only 30 minutes into this episode and I am appalled at the amount of ignorance in all your opinions on the Middle East. Especially the generalizing and grouping the whole Middle East together as unstable,poor and hateful.
Go read up on some behind the scenes stuff and see what rich Arab countries have been financially supporting America for years....Busta Rhymes didn't make that song for nothing.

Anyways,jokes aside..I was definitely disappointed in the stuff said in this episode. Particularly from Chemda because I'd expect this from Keith.

[Keith]

I just read all the behind the scenes stuff. I stand by all my viewpoints.

[DaveNJ]

Originally Posted by dori

I'm only 30 minutes into this episode and I am appalled at the amount of ignorance in all your opinions on the Middle East. Especially the generalizing and grouping the whole Middle East together as unstable,poor and hateful.
Go read up on some behind the scenes stuff and see what rich Arab countries have been financially supporting America for years....Busta Rhymes didn't make that song for nothing.

Anyways,jokes aside..I was definitely disappointed in the stuff said in this episode. Particularly from Chemda because I'd expect this from Keith.

That's a lie. Blatant and unrepentant.

Whatevs.

The Middle East is, generally, very poor. Poverty breeds instability. Instability and poverty together helps those who want to instill hate.

There's money in the Middle East (mostly oil and natural gas money), but it is concentrated in the hands of a select few, either royalty or dictatorial regimes. They live it up while the rest of the region doesn't develop economically.

[thirteen]

Originally Posted by Junkenstein

as a side note: why were americans so criticized when they celebrated Bin Laden's death but these people chant for "triumph and rebellion", while discharging guns in the air and no one seems to be bothered by that?

just saying, im in favour of both celebrations, just curious on where the "you dont celebrate a person's deth are right now"

It's a vicious circle. Middle East does it, North Americans complain. North America (usually USA) does it, Middle Easterners complain. It's not like it started with Bin Laden's death. This type of thing goes on and on forever. It's just that the USA is expected to be a more civilized country. And in that respect, I generally agree with Keith about North America having more rights for humans on a different level. Most people would prefer to live here if they actually got a taste of it. Of course, there are certain aspects that make us just as bad as the other countries...only our weirdness is done on a subtle level.

Originally Posted by maoglone

How, as a professional comedian, can Christian Finnegan possibly have no sense of humor?

Finnegan does seem to be pretty serious this episode, but all 3 of them were heavily discussing a couple of serious issues. It's usually Keith who adds the humour in to keep it a comedy show. It wouldn't be more awesome or anything if people were only making jokes. It's great when there's a balance, but I also like when there's intelligent back-and-forth between all the people on the show. In that respect I always welcome a guest who can hold his/her own.

I think Finnegan had an interesting point about saying something so vague and general like "they're all monsters". This reminds me of when people say something like "we need to go to war" for every issue there is in the world, or "we need peace" for everything. Because it leads to the question, "and then what?" War doesn't work for everything, and not going to war doesn't always work either. It's always a combination of these different things that leads to some kind of resolution.