1495: The Loopdy-Doos

[Abby]

Originally Posted by fluxquanta

I don't think it can be explained to me.

Yes, it's still really confusing, and even the Knefels were saying some of it is not making sense and could be better. But you can't disagree that the Knefels were the only people on KATG who made a little sense about what its all about...

[fluxquanta]

Originally Posted by Abby

But you can't disagree that the Knefels were the only people on KATG who made a little sense about what its all about...

I can and I do.

[Abby]

So, who was better. I think I'd like to re listen to that episode

[DaveNJ]

Originally Posted by Abby

Yes, it's still really confusing, and even the Knefels were saying some of it is not making sense and could be better. But you can't disagree that the Knefels were the only people on KATG who made a little sense about what its all about...

Again, they don't really know what it's all about.

The Knefels did a good job of being INVESTED in the OWS movement, which made them more impassioned and more articulate.

However, at the end of the day I still can't name one concrete goal of OWS.

I mean, they bring up "Stop and Frisk". What does a police search policy have to do with corporations?

I'm with FluxQuanta here. You can't just throw a ton of stuff on the wall and hope it sticks. If and when OWS hashes out a definitive position we can discuss what it's "all about", but right now they're a bunch of disenchanted people being angry together. That isn't a particularly productive use of one's time.

[MalcolmSmith]

Originally Posted by Keith

I have no holes. I said I don't understand what it is.

But you won't explain it. You'll just talk condescendingly like you get so much more than I do.

You're actually the kind of person we were talking about that pretends they know things.

They can question everything, but I can't question what's going on?

You're not a nice person. You're a bully.

Rise above.

Originally Posted by Grampoo

I think I understand what they're protesting, and I think you've had it explained pretty well to you. I don't want to yell back at you, but to explain what my gripe is with you guys on this... it just seems like you ask the same question again and again, telling the (usually articulate guest) that most occupy people aren't articulate. If you really looked into it, trying to learn, you'd start to understand what's going on.

Sorry I don't agree with you guys on this. I'm not trying to bully.
Mostly, I share your hopeless view on anything ever changing. But, I applaud the folks who try (even if they are naive to expend the effort).

My "hippie" Dad is organizing my little town to come out to occupy actions (usually with a turn-out of 12 or less). I'm cynical and I have a small business so I don't come out much. I'm not saying you should join the occupy guys, but I always squirm in my seat with you guys try so hard to find every weakness in parts of that movement. But yes, the safe bet is: nope, nothing will change--corruption to benefit the wealthy will continue.

Keith didn't you see the documentary "Inside Job"? That should explain some of what they're angry about, and why normal citizens are in a tough spot to change this kind of high-places corruption.

I'm with Keith on this one. Even Knefel's articulate explanation was weak. I mean, OK, what do all these things have in common? Let's do some Sesame Street grouping of similar things. It seems a large portion of what Knefel was griping about had to do with money in politics. There's a group. OK, so what do we do about money in politics? You know, a mechanic can stand there and look at a car all day and it's not going to fix itself. At some point, she's going to have to do some diagnostics, get her wrench out, and fix the thing. When the going gets tough, Cain plays with his water bottle and OWS plays drums.

[fluxquanta]

Originally Posted by DaveNJ

Again, they don't really know what it's all about.

The Knefels did a good job of being INVESTED in the OWS movement, which made them more impassioned and more articulate.

However, at the end of the day I still can't name one concrete goal of OWS.

I mean, they bring up "Stop and Frisk". What does a police search policy have to do with corporations?

I'm with FluxQuanta here. You can't just throw a ton of stuff on the wall and hope it sticks. If and when OWS hashes out a definitive position we can discuss what it's "all about", but right now they're a bunch of disenchanted people being angry together. That isn't a particularly productive use of one's time.

Well put.

[Abby]

OK - the Occupy movement does not make sense in the most sensical way. True say.

BUT the Knefels did the most to explain at all why Others are there, and some things that they think. As of that time I pretty much got "99%" out of anything.

The problem is the people in the corporations are controlling the government through money. There are lots of problems that stem off it. I wish their were transcripts of the show so I could give an example. It's been a bit since I've listened to it.

But why can't we use a large group to help tackle several problems, it's not like the government is going to regulate their income so they get less.

[fluxquanta]

Originally Posted by Abby

OK - the Occupy movement does not make sense in the most sensical way. True say.

BUT the Knefels did the most to explain at all why Others are there, and some things that they think. As of that time I pretty much got "99%" out of anything.

The problem is the people in the corporations are controlling the government through money. There are lots of problems that stem off it. I wish their were transcripts of the show so I could give an example. It's been a bit since I've listened to it.

But why can't we use a large group to help tackle several problems, it's not like the government is going to regulate their income so they get less.

I mean this in the nicest way possible -- you should stop. I understand what the Knefels said, but I don't get it.

[Abby]

Originally Posted by fluxquanta

I mean this in the nicest way possible -- you should stop. I understand what the Knefels said, but I don't get it.

Ok I'll stop becuase I'm not allowed an opinion.

We're on a forum, I like getting what I think out there, and hearing people thoughts. You are allowed your opinion, I'm allowed mine.

Isn't that why people like talking on the internet?

[MalcolmSmith]

Originally Posted by Abby

OK - the Occupy movement does not make sense in the most sensical way. True say.

BUT the Knefels did the most to explain at all why Others are there, and some things that they think. As of that time I pretty much got "99%" out of anything.

The problem is the people in the corporations are controlling the government through money. There are lots of problems that stem off it. I wish their were transcripts of the show so I could give an example. It's been a bit since I've listened to it.

But why can't we use a large group to help tackle several problems, it's not like the government is going to regulate their income so they get less.

I think the key here is to concentrate on underlying pathologies rather than on symptoms. The U.S. has a few major diseases that manifest themselves in all sorts of various rashes, boils, stomach upsets, indigestion, seeping pustules, etc. Right now, OWS is driving their symptom-focused ambulance about 15 mph in the left lane with their blinker on, while the diseases are getting their swerve on at 95 mph with someone snorting coke off the dashboard. If OWS is going to be effective, they need to focus everything they've got directly on those underlying pathologies. Sit around treating symptoms and the diseases will be too far down the road to stop.