2197: Transrachel

[ImStillToni]

Upon a second listen, I found myself extremely happy and given a peace of mind knowing that both Emmy and Katiuska echoed EVERYTHING I POSTED LAST WEEK. every fucking thang.

Now can some of you white people understand why i was getting so pissed so many of you cared about WHY Rachel did it. Fuck why that cunt did it. Maybe she choke on a million black dicks. And I say that as a 100% black woman. How dare you steal MY struggle and pretend tanning and wearing a nappy weave is the same experience.

I wish I could buy the video for this show as well as Gottfried. Outstanding!

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by Kultcher

Okay, but what about my other examples? My light-skinned daughter, or a black kid raised by white parents. People who can pass as the default, but may still feel a connection to the black experience because their parents are black? Are they less black? By how much? Who is the arbiter to decide how much "blackness" they can claim?

i think being bi-racial, B&W, still allows one to fully embrace blackness. i do not, however, think it allows that same person to fully embrace whiteness.

i'm not the expert on the why's of bi-racial nuance.

[Kultcher]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

i think being bi-racial, B&W, still allows one to fully embrace blackness. i do not, however, think it allows that same person to fully embrace whiteness.

i'm not the expert on the why's of bi-racial nuance.

I agree completely. My question, though, is what percentage of black ancestry entitles you to "blackness." I am definitely black at 50%. Is my daughter at a light-skinned 25%? If not, what if she was darker?

I'm not trying to badger you, like you said you're not the expert. My issue is with anyone who claims they are the authority.

[Sparrow]

i honestly can't answer that.

i've not been privy to the extended internal conversation or experience surrounding ones degree of blackness.

[ImStillToni]

Originally Posted by Kultcher

Okay, but what about my other examples? My light-skinned daughter, or a black kid raised by white parents. People who can pass as the default, but may still feel a connection to the black experience because their parents are black? Are they less black? By how much? Who is the arbiter to decide how much "blackness" they can claim?

I think you are missing the point here sweetie. You do not have to worry about passing IF you have black blood running through your veins. Your light-skinned daughter is half-black, there is no passing because the white people will always remind her she is not 100% white. Like the ole one drop rule, that baby is Black by society's standards, which are really just the white man's standard.

A Black child raised by ANY couple is still a Black child who will be called a nigga at some point.

Rachel doesn't have a fucking drop of Black in her...all she had was some occasional Black dick. She, as a white woman, is passing as, aka pretending to be, Black. She can take out the weave, stop tanning and using bronzer at any time and no one would EVER confuse her as Black.

Rachel does not even LOOK Black. Those fuckers in Spokane must of been fucking blind. A little color and some non-straight hair is all it took? Really? GTFO. White people will say anything that is not lily white and pale is Black or a minority simply based on sight. Thats what is really so offensive.

and if I'm being honest, as i was posting last week I re-read everything 3+ times because of the fact once i post it with my black picture, people will equate my passion on this issue as being an angry black woman. I felt as if I was in church and Emmy and Katiuska were preaching to me. I felt every thing they felt. I believe everything they said. I lived it. I get it. Hands down, for me, this has to go down as one of my all time fave KATG shows. If you did not watch live, you missed me on camera damned near catching the spirit and speaking in tongues, they were so on point and echoed my sentiments exactly

We cannot win. Period. But see what happens when you get THREE Black women in the KATG studio at once? Like a fucking unicorn and shit LOL fucking brilliant!

[Kultcher]

Originally Posted by ImStillToni

Your light-skinned daughter is half-black, there is no passing because the white people will always remind her she is not 100% white.

Eh, I don't know about that. For reference, this is my daughter.

She's almost 4 now, I dunno if her skin or hair will darken as she gets older, but if it doesn't I don't think anyone will mistake her quarter-black unless I'm standing next to her.

Anyway, be mad at Rachel all you want. I'll say again I'm not really trying to defend her, I'm just using her as a jumping off point to ask the question: "What is blackness and who gets to decide?"

[ImStillToni]

First off, how adorable!

Ok now, if she ever self-identifies as "biracial" then yes, be prepared that she will be called a nigga, mutt, mulatto, and half breed. If she doesn't volunteer it and still appears more white, thats not passing at all. Thats your daughter simply not feeling the need to self-identify to noisy ass motherfuckers.

But my question back to YOU sir, is why come here asking a bunch of white people "what is blackness and who gets to decide?"

WE DO. FUCKING BLACK PEOPLE. Geezus can we not have anything? Do white people define US? This is the fucking problem....how are you going to ask anyone who has not gone through the struggle of being Black what IS Blackness? WTF?

And just to really answer your question, 200+ years ago when the Founding Thieves of America decided the one drop rule - if you are one drop black, then you are black. Ergo, white people have already told you the answer, your daughter is black, if hearing it from other black people isn't enough LOL so now you know white people have already done told us who is black. You can sleep at night! You daugher would have been a slave just like you are I, doesn't matter how light skinned she was. Maybe a house nigga instead of in the fields, but still a slave just the same.

Personally, the fact you do not care about Rachel either way concerns me. This is the conversation that's been going on in the Black community. Why do so many of us not care? I'm not married to a black man, I'm married to a Dominican. But i have dated and was once engaged to a White man for 6+ years. Have you ever thought about why it is you personally do not care? With love and just being inquisitive, not being a bitch or mad at your response. I'm just really curious as a Black man and father of a bi-racial daughter, why DOESN'T this shit bother you.

[LittleCigar]

Dolezal strikes me as a tragic figure in the Shakespearian sense of the word. She's a truly talented artist whose sense of social justice is genuine and has been acted upon in admirable ways, but she's undone by her chief flaw which is her refusal to acknowledge that by doing what she did--as noble as her motives might have been--she is no different than the people she herself has criticized as profiting from a culture she covets but wasn't born into.

[Los]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

even if it's repugnant, individuals have the right to express themselves.

There are always limits on free speech and epxression. This should be one of them. Georgia changed its flag, and still managed to recognize its heritage. There's no reason that others can't do the same.

Originally Posted by Sparrow

we aren't allowed to feel nice things about where we come from

I disagree with this. I have a lot of family in the South, mostly in Maryland and West Virginia, and I love it there. Our entire country has a past with elements that we should be ashamed of, and that we should celebrate. It's not hard to do both.

There's still a racist component to embracing that symbol that reasonable people either don't recognize, or aren't willing to acknowledge.

Originally Posted by Kultcher

My question, though, is what percentage of black ancestry entitles you to "blackness." I am definitely black at 50%. Is my daughter at a light-skinned 25%? If not, what if she was darker?

Times are changing. It's not universal yet, but identifying as either black or biracial is a choice that your daughter could make. Obama talked publicly about choosing to identify as black. A lot of people have issues with the term African-American, but it's actually an accurate description of American citizens with black African ancestry.

[ImStillToni]

Originally Posted by LittleCigar

Dolezal strikes me as a tragic figure in the Shakespearian sense of the word. She's a truly talented artist whose sense of social justice is genuine and has been acted upon in admirable ways, but she's undone by her chief flaw which is her refusal to acknowledge that by doing what she did--as noble as her motives might have been--she is no different than the people she herself has criticized as profiting from a culture she covets but wasn't born into.

2nd post and brilliant! Thank you! I never discounted her work or education at all, just the need of a log con to get over. She tried to take 3 steps forward by taking 20 steps backwards with her deceptive long con.

Not sure if you have gotten this already, but FUCK YOUUUUUUUUU and welcome to the forums.