2425: Hard Right

[Michael's Servant]

with Katie McVay – Men’s needs; Pokémon Go; Keith reviews the latest comic strips; Alton Sterling’s rap sheet and Misha Barton’s inappropriate post; 13-year-old boy lies about being groped in a park; UFC 200; UFC sells for $4 billion; George Takei is upset the new Sulu is gay; The Legend of Tarzan reviewed; Joe Perry collapses on stage; Newsy’s art exhibition

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[Eric M]

Originally Posted by Newsy

Hey white man, shut your fucking mouth.

Originally Posted by Newsy

Where the fuck you at dude? Fuck your job, come here and respond. Tell me why it's more important that I admit that outside of this situation he's a shitty dude. Come back and argue that some more you piece of garbage.

Alright racist, which one is it? Should I shut my mouth or do you want a response? I said he didn't deserve to die. No one doing what he was doing does. Bringing up a fact shouldn't fucking bother you this much. You give conservatives a pass to call you stupid by sticking your head in the sand ignoring facts like a fucking child.

I'm on your fucking side. I've went and held signs and marched down in Miami for your cause. I'm fully on board with black lives matter. I voted for the candidate who might have fucking done something about it too. Acknowledging that he wasn't a fully innocent dude doesn't mean I think he should've died. It doesn't help or hurt your cause to point out this fact, but conservatives will try and use it against you and you better have something better to argue with than "shut your fucking mouth white man" if you want to get anywhere.

[Sparrow]

his record isn't pertinent. there were also many other facts about him: his favorite color, his grades, what kind of music he liked, how many butterflies he caught in a lifetime, his video game scores. why /this/ fact, other than to assassinate his character?

last time i checked, the facts of a citizens' prior record isn't a reason to use deadly force.

[Sparrow]

are perfect angels the only among us worthy of a guarantee they won't die in police custody?

[Eric M]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

his record isn't pertinent. there were also many other facts about him: his favorite color, his grades, what kind of music he liked, how many butterflies he caught in a lifetime, his video game scores. why /this/ fact, other than to assassinate his character?

last time i checked, the facts of a citizens' prior record isn't a reason to use deadly force.

That is absolutely true. I'm not even saying that it is necessary to put any facts out. But what you have to understand is that their are people on the evil side of this thing who can and always will look for the dirt to point out.

Keith has always leaned a little bit conservatively. So it doesn't surprise me in the least that he would point this out and of course try and throw in a little funny. There are people bringing this up with absolutely terrible intent too. If it's a fact, it's a fact. And you have to acknowledge it and keep your argument strong. Saying "well don't even bring that up" isn't going to get you anywhere in a real debate.

[Sparrow]

encouraging the elimination of extraneous facts from an argument seems fine to me. it muddies the discourse.

are you one of those people pointing out the dirt? if it is dirt and the people shining the light on it are of questionable character, why join in and dismiss upset?

[Eric M]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

encouraging the elimination of extraneous facts from an argument seems fine to me. it muddies the discourse.

are you one of those people pointing out the dirt? if it is dirt and the people shining the light on it are of questionable character, why join in and dismiss upset?

I didn't point anything out. But I did hear about it before the show. And ultimately being on Chemda's side, I just want her to represent it better. I guess that might be asking too much of her. It's just frustrating because if the goal is to change minds, saying "no no why even bring that up?" is right around the point where a conservative thinker dismisses you entirely, just like you would to them for not acknowledging facts.

[Pintman]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

encouraging the elimination of extraneous facts from an argument seems fine to me. it muddies the discourse. . . .

Great. We now have discourse on the KATG forums.

[Tulipaloozi]

While Alton's rap sheet may be available to the public, it is not in any way connected or relevant to his murder, in my opinion. Just like the gun they didn't see in his pocket until after he was killed, the officers also didn't conveniently have his past convictions pulled up before they murdered him. There are no connections between his past and his murder and they should not be presented as such.

Just like the rapist swimmer... His swim times don't (shouldn't) lessen the severity of his crimes. If he ended up murdering that woman, would they still try to push that sweet and innocent profile of him in the media to soften his image? Would his family members still write those glowing character letters about their baby boy if he was a murderer? Why does that kid's past clear him of his present crimes, yet Alton's past (that he did his time for) justifies his murder?

Look at how hard they're trying to find past criminal activity on Phil. They can't find anything that could paint him in a bad light, so they're resorting to creating false stories in order to somehow make his murder justified. What is the point of that? Even if he had a criminal past, he was legally carrying a firearm at the time he was killed. He was complying with the officer's orders, something that is constantly harped on and brought up every time innocent people of color are murdered, yet, he too was murdered.

The parents of the boy who recently fell into the gorilla enclosure had their past crimes/mugshots plastered all over the news after the accident, painting them as terrible and irresponsible people. What does their past have to do with the present accident at hand? However, the parents of the child who was killed by the alligator in Florida were shown more compassion/empathy by the public and media, and there was nothing about their past and/or crimes being brought up in the news. Why treat one accident differently than the other? Neither accidents were intentional or malicious, but society and the media treated both couples and situations vastly different.

I found this video and I think it explains the BLM movement very well. I'm absolutely no expert and I am in no way trying to be, but this message closely resembles the feeds of the activists I follow who fight for and speak out about these issues daily.

https://youtu.be/oUr3ZBeosx4

[Keith]

"While Alton's rap sheet may be available to the public, it is not in any way connected or relevant to his murder, in my opinion."

For the record, whether I'm wrong or not, I don't think some of you get that I said, even before I brought up the point, that that's my exact opinion too.

Would you want to know if he just gave birth?

Would that be interesting to know? Not relevant to the cause, but very interesting that you're glad you knew it?