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Old 02-04-2017, 12:09 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Yeah we have a long history of presidents issuing travel bans, but I didn't know there were as many per president as in that PDF. Some of those seem like they're so targeted that they would be hard to enforce.

The Trump administration is saying they never called it ban after calling it a ban on air in a press conference.
None of the those are "bans" on countries or religions. It is a detailed list of who is not allowed to travel here because they participated in some shady shit in their own country or against the UN.

It specifies shady royal families, affiliations with shady foreign governments (like North Korea) and foreign diplomats who profit from impeding democracies.

Thats typical border control/safety/diplomacy stuff, not a ban.
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Old 02-04-2017, 01:06 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Thats typical border control/safety/diplomacy stuff, not a ban.
The suspension of entry into the US is a travel ban. Carter's ban of Iranian citizens after the hostage crisis isn't even on that list. Reagan's bans on the list targeted Cubans, and his "high seas" ban was supposed to target Haitians coming here by boat. I looked it up, and the Coast Guard had permission to fire on a vessel if they didn't stop and wait for inspection.

If you go through it again, you'll see that the orders have a wider range than what you're saying. It shows that presidents have broad authority when it comes to immigration. It looks like one of Obama's orders banned entry for anyone that was involved with (or maybe just suspected of) hacking.

This isn't a defense of Trump's ban.
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Old 02-04-2017, 02:25 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The suspension of entry into the US is a travel ban. Carter's ban of Iranian citizens after the hostage crisis isn't even on that list. Reagan's bans on the list targeted Cubans, and his "high seas" ban was supposed to target Haitians coming here by boat. I looked it up, and the Coast Guard had permission to fire on a vessel if they didn't stop and wait for inspection.
Do you have details on Carter's ban of Iranians?

Reagan's "ban" on Cuban is targeted towards those in cahoots with the government. Cause cold war. Cubans notoriously are able to immigrate here easier than any other nationalities because of "wet food dry foot" which basically says if they can make it to Florida they can be a US citizen.

Not allowing people to immigrate here through illegal means (by boat) is not a ban.

How border control treats those they catch trying to enter illegally is a totally different and depressing topic.
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Old 02-04-2017, 03:37 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Do you have details on Carter's ban of Iranians?
I'm just saying that similar controversial orders have been done before, but were more specific like you mentioned. The president has the authority to ban any group of aliens that he believes are harmful to the country on his own (but it can be challenged).

Reagan's high seas order was targeted, so you could argue that it is a country specific ban. You can call these actions something else if the word ban is the issue.

No reason to read all of this unless you really want to know.

Article on Carter's Iran order:

Carter Cuts Ties With Iran | News | The Harvard Crimson


This talks about how complicated and disorganized Trump's order is:

Trumpís Immigration Order Tests Limits of Law and Executive Power
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Old 02-06-2017, 01:04 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Not allowing people to immigrate here through illegal means (by boat) is not a ban.
It is not illegal for asylum seekers to arrive by boat.

It is however banned by executive order.
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