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View Poll Results: Have you ever been arrested?
Yes 21 25.61%
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Old 03-23-2017, 04:17 PM   #111 (permalink)
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yes, that's exactly what i'm doing.

do you want to fight me?
Why would I want to fight you?
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Old 03-23-2017, 04:22 PM   #112 (permalink)
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that's how you handle things on the inside.
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that's how you handle things on the inside.
That's how who handles things on the inside of what?
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ok.
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ok.
I get the feeling you want to fight me. Why's that?
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seems to justify some odd nonchalance. people get raped and murdered and kept in an endless generational cycle of poverty, but /of course/ they do. ok. good enough. that's just how it is. but, fuckin' Turnstile Kid over here, she really earned that wag of your finger. tsk tsk, Chemda.
Can we focus a little?

Turnstile kid only got a ticket. Not-paying-an-old-ticket kid got arrested. Should she have gotten arrested for that? I don't think so but not paying a ticket is more serious than jumping a turnstile.

When you make it seem like Chemda got arrested for jumping a turnstile, you're creating a straw-man argument.

Let's bring it back into a focused discussion, so we don't talk past each other.

Should Chemda have gotten a ticket for jumping the turnstile?

I say yes.

On the show, Chemda said police budget for jumping turnstiles should be used to subsidize the MTA. That means no one watching for people jumping the stiles. No tickets for jumping.

I believe the problem with Chemda's plan is the police budget would be a drop in the bucket. I doubt there'd be any real cuts if you put the entire turnstile jumping task force budget into MTA.

Without policing, more people will not pay and cause a deeper budget issue with the MTA.

Further, police presence is good for more than turnstile jumpers. Yes, they are primarily there to catch jumpers but added police presence on the platform is helpful late at night.

What does everyone else think?

Should Chemda have been arrested for not paying an old ticket?

On the show, I was favoring yes because I couldn't think of another solution. Afterwards, I felt that trespassing someone from MTA resources each year until they pay the fine is a better solution.

On the show, Chemda believed she shouldn't have been arrested and felt like it wasn't a good time to discuss alternatives.

@Chemda - What do you think of the trespass idea? Do you have any alternative ideas?

What does everyone else think?

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i think it's not the conversation to be had. i think if we are to focus, we focus on the crap shit treatment of people in custody and the fucknut disgusting state of our detention spaces.
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the question isn't whether or not Chemda deserved this, that, or the other; it's does /anyone/?
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i think it's not the conversation to be had. i think if we are to focus, we focus on the crap shit treatment of people in custody and the fucknut disgusting state of our detention spaces.
OK. Let's talk about this specifically. We agree the detention spaces are terrible, let's move past that.

What actionable steps can we take to change this?
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well, if i might take a couple of broad strokes to roll a ball:

ending the private prison system

increased accountability
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