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Old 03-20-2017, 07:51 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Also I lost my temper on my brother. That tells me I should think more on this. I'd like to be able to debate the things I believe in in a calm way. I hope that me getting that upset was because it was 'too soon' but I'm still thinking on it.




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Old 03-20-2017, 08:16 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't want you to get arrested at all. I want you to be happy and enjoy your life, and spread all the love, as you do. Hearing about your night made me sad, I want good things happen to you!

Even this was a great story for the podcast, yeah, protest better. Use your power in a more effective ( this is 0 effective) way.
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:27 AM   #13 (permalink)
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About the rest of it, I am not disputing that I committed crimes. I let BabyButt pass behind me on my swipe and I didn't pay my very old ticket. I am saying that I should be punished. But not jailed. Not even for a minute. And it's not for me only. I'm saying no one should be jailed for this. Being behind bars is way too serious for a crime like that. It can easily have you lose your job and people have become homeless as a result. I'm saying the punishment does not fit the crime.
A quick google tells me that apparently people do get arrested for fare beating and I fully agree that that is a terrible idea and doesn't fit the crime and seems to be racist in who they target.

But you weren't arrested for that, not now, not last time and also Henessy wasn't arrested even though he didn't even show ID if I remember the story right?

You were arrested for ignoring an old ticket for 15 years. And while that is still mismatched punishment I kinda get them taking you in.
Wouldn't you agree that if all the court knows that you don't react to getting letters about it for 15 years (well I assume they stopped after sending a few and you moved since then) you most likely won't suddenly react now if they let you go this time?
Crazy overreach would have been to send the police to your house to take you in years ago.

Btw I would like to hear your arguments for why public transport should be free and how you would defend that to people with cars that have to pay their own gas.
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Chemda:

I probably came across as an unsympathetic hardass. Sorry. I spent a night or two in jail a long, long time a go when I was in school. Jail just cannot suck enough. And you were understandably still shook up on the show last night.

As far as people losing their job and being separated from their loved ones and dependents when they get thrown in jail, you raise a very serious point. When people get picked up on warrants or arrested on relatively minor charges, what happens in the very first court appearance before a judge is that bail gets set.

The majority of people who find themselves in this situation are poor and can't pay for a lawyer. The difference between high bail and low or non-monetary bail is often critical to keeping a job, taking care of a family, or not having a car repo'd.

In the U.S.A., everybody theoretically has a constitutional right to have an attorney present at this stage, but public defenders are overworked and underpaid, and lots of people get unfairly high bail because they have no attorney to speak for them at that initial stage.

As a result, many wait in jail for months until trial, even though they are presumed innocent. Most of them are not flight risks or dangerous. I feel for such people. Partly because I have been in jail, partly because I'm in the business and see this all the time.

So, thanks for getting busted and highlighting the problem. I love you, even though you are a criminal.


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Old 03-20-2017, 09:04 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Lanfear, you are making up that I ignored letters. I never received letters. I specifically said that I've looked up my license. I also got a new ID at least twice since that ticket. No one said anything.


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Also I lost my temper on my brother. That tells me I should think more on this. I'd like to be able to debate the things I believe in in a calm way. I hope that me getting that upset was because it was 'too soon' but I'm still thinking on it.
I think your brother wasn't respecting your point a view and it is understandable that you got upset with him. Your brother also seems to be pushing the "come to me with solutions and not problems" thing a little to hard. It can't always be someone coming to you with solutions because some times it's better to know of a problem even if the person who came to be aware of it doesn't know what to do about it. If I see a down power line I call the electric company and tell them, they don't respond with "OK but what should we do about it! Tell me what do you think we should do besides tell you to stay away? Which you obviously already know."

I think putting you in jail for this offense is way overboard and seems to me is just lazy work on the cops part, 'Dis is wat we do, we arrest people fo tings' They somehow knew you had this outstanding thing, shouldn't they also know what that thing is? If you didn't pay a $15 fine or did you beat up a homeless person? It seems the system only records select information and could/should include other simple information. Maybe Chemda was wrong in what she did or didn't do 15 years ago but maybe instead of putting her in a cell they should have taken her to the precinct and given her the opportunity to pay the outstanding fine. They have her new address so they could find her again and also could give her another ticket for failure to resolve the matter by one of the methods offered.

I think if the po po had said it looks like you have an outstanding ticket that you didn't resolve we have to take you to the precinct where you can pay it and go home or we will issue you another summons and you will have to pay the fine within 15 days or show up in court. That might have been a better option.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:32 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Chemda I think the right situation should have been a summons. They recite you at the time of the other ticket. You can pay it at your leisure online or at a specific place. If you fail to pay that second summons. A warrant for your arrest should be issued as well as the fine. I agree it's a bit heavy-handed to arrest you after 15 years with no action.
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I feel very sorry that you had to go through this experience I'm sure it was frightening and better communication about the processes would have sure made this easier.

But I gotta agree with Pintmans points and you got arrested in the middle of the night because the two of you made the decision to save 1 Dollar - why should a judge have to be awake to hold court in the middle of the night to make sure you get back to bed?

You regularly and gleefully talk about jumping turnstiles, stealing from shops and dedicated a whole episode (not even behind the VIP paywall) to talking about how your husband made money and how much you enjoyed helping out with "sales".

Don't get me wrong I don't say you shouldn't do that or I think you are a bad person - you can do whatever you like and the weed laws are most certainly stupid but that's not highbrow civil disobedience / political protesting the "man".
That is being damn lucky and living in a democratic country with free speech laws and a police force lenient enough to allow you to hand things to Hennessy before they take you in.

I'll join Pintman in running for cover now.
This.

I also nominated this episode for multiple KATG awards.

Most Ridiculous for a 40+ year old getting caught jumping a turnstile.

Most Shocking that said 40+ year old is surprised there are consequences for blowing off summons, stealing from stores, jumping turnstiles, etc.

Was the punishment heavy handed? Yes. Way too harsh. However, you have to responsible for your actions.
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:30 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Lanfear, you are making up that I ignored letters. I never received letters. I specifically said that I've looked up my license. I also got a new ID at least twice since that ticket. No one said anything.


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Sorry - I assumed if they found it in the system so quickly that night that they had reached out before years ago.
And btw no shame ignoring/forgetting letters like that. I managed to do that myself before and had to pay quite a penalty after a few years.
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:33 AM   #20 (permalink)
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With peace and love, did you read my post. I think we're on the same side.


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