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Old 03-20-2017, 01:25 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I'm very sorry you had to go through that, the whole experience sounds harrowing. Wasting jail, court, and cop resources on a (no-victim) ticket is absurd. I like the idea that after the record check the cops just re-cite for what's in the system as long as the first offense is at the same level.

That being said (I'm already ducking) we only have the one system. Putting you in custody is the only thing they have when you don't pay a fine, whatever the reason; I didn't do it, I lost the ticket, I didn't think they were serious, I didn't have the money, etc. We also only have one jail and court system, not one for nice people and one for the "real" criminals. That is no excuse for them treating people like animals, but best to avoid the system and petition for change from the outside.

Finally, about the "your not being arrested" thing. He kept saying that so you'll wouldn't freak out on they platform. He was trying to save himself a fight from the subway to the detention center that he didn't know whether or not would turn into a wrestling match, escape attempt, or just a royal cussing for the half hour it took to get where you were going. He would not have been able to tell from looking at you that you were a smart, strong person, that doesn't do this stuff normally. I don't fault him for that.
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:31 PM   #42 (permalink)
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A similar shitty thing happened to a friend of mine in Brooklyn this summer. Last winter he got a ticket for drinking on a stoop (which he forgot to pay), and in August the cops rolled up on him drinking on another stoop and he went through the same thing Chemda described. Fucking sucks. The shittiest part for him was feeling like he had zero control over the situation, no one listens to you when you're in there, you don't know where you're going or really how long it will take.

Yeah, you can say "well you should've paid your ticket," fine. That doesn't mean any of this treatment is justified. The point of putting someone through jail for an unpaid ticket is to demonstrate the absolute control of the state, to show that if you don't toe the line and follow the rules, we can take you and hold you and there's nothing you can do about it.

Michael was frustrating because he's trying to rationalize a system that is inherently unjust. He's accepting the fact that people are fined and put away for all sorts of shit that doesn't matter, and being nitpicky about how we should best accomplish fining and putting people away. Anyway, I enjoyed him getting shouted down, it seems like lately he only calls in when y'all are discussing serious things and he feels the need to set the record straight or insert himself as the voice of reason or whatever. I just wanna hear some drunk Michael stories.

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I don't fault him for that.
that's what people said when those cops shot those unarmed dudes. you're seriously saying this cop was so afraid of Chemda? of doing his job, the one where he's literally trained to deal with crazy, scary criminals? /so/ afraid he couldn't even /tell her/ what was going on. well, golly!
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:41 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Finally, about the "your not being arrested" thing. He kept saying that so you'll wouldn't freak out on they platform. He was trying to save himself a fight from the subway to the detention center that he didn't know whether or not would turn into a wrestling match, escape attempt, or just a royal cussing for the half hour it took to get where you were going.
Why are you deliberately omitting parts of the story? So that you can stick with THE LAW IS THE LAW IS THE LAW point of view?

She was lied to and tricked the entire night. You heard that also. Why are you ignoring that?

She was in the "detention center" and lied to and tricked hour after hour.

"Detention center..." Shame on you.
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As I said in my first reply - the communication was terrible and it did make it worse. Because it not only scared Chemda, it also made Hennessy worry more. The officers would probably hide behind a 'we are just taking you in and then others decide if you need to be kept' and that's shitty and should not happen ever.

But I can believe that and feel genuinely bad for Chemda while also saying what I said.
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:28 PM   #46 (permalink)
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. . . I don't believe I deserved to be jailed but I know I would have still gone to jail even if they told me they were arresting me. . . .

I don't believe that tickets, even outstanding ones, should result in locking people in a cage.

Can we stop getting mad at each other for breaking laws that we don't believe in? Who is actually responsible for calling us criminals?

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Honest to God, I am not mad at anybody, and I thought I apologized in my second post in this thread for being a little rough on you in my first post and sounding judgmental.

You didn't commit a horrible offense and you probably shouldn't have been locked up. But when you ignore something like a warrant for a long time (stay with me, I'm still not being judgmental) and the law finally catches up with you, people are not likely to be patient or sympathetic or flexible. And the people who inhabit police stations and jails are usually not very nice to begin with, because they themselves are miserable.

That's just the way it is, and good people who don't get that unintentionally end up making things worse for themselves.

I deal every day with people who get jacked up by the government. Like it or not, it's better to stay out of those situations in the first place, than to have to work your way out of them.

By the way, here is how to find out real quick if you are under arrest: Ask the cop "Am I free to leave, officer?" Anything other than a simple "yes" - "that depends", "I don't know yet", anything ambiguous like that - means you should assume that you are not free to go, and therefore under arrest.

Again, I am sorry for coming across cold hearted.

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I guess we can all agree that america is no longer #1, right?
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Ooooookay I have to chime in now:

For many years I never went out alone... Like never.. Was too scared to.

Last year after the latest nasty breakup I said fuck it, I'm going out, no longer living like a hermit.

Went to a neighborhood (Alameda, CA) bar, had a few drinks, noticed it was almost midnight & figured I should go home before the club got crazy. My job was running a fitbit contest at the time, and with the nice evening weather I decided to walk home. Mind you, I pay A LOT of rent to live in Alameda because it's quiet & safe (Spent many years living in San Francisco & Oakland).

I put my earbuds on & started the 30 min walk home.

I came across a warehouse with construction that had a sign on the sidewalk, I had to step into the street (mind you no cars or people around) to walk around the sign. Next thing I know there are police sirens behind me and the cops are stopping me.

They said they had been following me for a while, asked where I was coming from & where I was going to. They said I had been walking funny. I told them I had music in my ears & I pointed in the direction I came from "Churchward" pointed in the direction of my house (6 blocks away) and said "home on 9th st".

They asked me for my name, I figured ID was next so I thought I would save them the step & handed them my ID. ID that showed my house is a few blocks away.

They asked me for my phone number, I asked why they needed it. They asked again, I asked again. Next thing I knew I was being slammed into a fence and handcuffed. I have NEVER been arrested....

I started to cry and asked what was going on, they snarled in my ear "that's what you get for not giving your fucking phone number"

While crying I said they could have it, they told me it was too late, I was going to jail.

They then drove me to a jail 45 minutes away because "Oakland jail recently changed their rules and aren't taking any alameda people" (oakland is right by Alameda).

I cried the entire way to jail.. I was told they wouldn't hold me any longer than 6-8 hours. 12 hours later I was released from one of the worst nights of my life. I won't even get into how horrible jail is.. Chemda made that point clearly.

They tried to charge me with "drunk in public" even though no sobriety test was done on me. I spent the next few weeks in a panic thinking about how this arrest & possibly something on my record would affect future job searches.

No charges were pressed... They had nothing.... But I am now scared of every Alameda police officer or car I see going by, no matter what time of day or night.

Part of me is convinced is because my ID said Mariana Grajales, not Suzy Smith...

Part of me thinks I was just another number in the goal they have to meet.

All I know is that I don't feel safe around folks that are paid to "keep me safe". I also would like to believe an officer that keeps people safe would have just taken me home.... SIX BLOCKS AWAY

I actually just recently went to the same club & took the same route home walking just to work through some of the trauma. I was way more sober & way more ready for questioning, but still.... It's fucked up.
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I wonder if they were especially hard on Chemda because of her name.
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I wonder if they were especially hard on Chemda because of her name.
I thought it was a possibility..

Especially since "the system" under the current administration is using all kinds of means to "round up folks" that fall in a brown/black spectrum...
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